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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
Cc: Michael Monnerie <michael.monnerie@is.it-management.at>,
	John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: 30 TB RAID6 + XFS slow write performance
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:10:40 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110722231040.GD13963@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E29BBDA.3000603@hardwarefreak.com>

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 01:05:14PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 7/22/2011 1:10 AM, Michael Monnerie wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I just wanted to know about the corner cases, and how XFS behaves. 
> > Actually, we're changing over to using NetApps, and with their WAFL 
> > anyway I should drop all su/sw usage and just use 4KB blocks.
> 
> I've never used a NetApp filer myself.  However, that said, I would
> assume that WAFL is only in play for NFS/CIFS transactions since WAFL is
> itself a filesystem.

Netapp's website is busted, so here's a cached link:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9DdO2a16hdIJ:blogs.netapp.com/extensible_netapp/2008/10/what-is-wafl--3.html+netapp+san+wafl&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com

"The point is that WAFL is the part of the code that provides the
'read or write from-disk' mechanisms to both NFS and CIFS and SAN.
The semantics of a how the blocks are accessed are provided by
higher level code not by WAFL, which means WAFL is not a file
system."

If you can be bothered trolling for that entire series of blog posts
in the google cache, it's probably a good idea so you can get a
basic understanding of what WAFL actually is.

> When exposing LUNs from the same filer to FC and iSCSI hosts I would
> assume the filer acts just as any other SAN controller would.

It has it's own quirks, just like any other FC attached RAID array...

> In this case I would think you'd probably still want to align your
> XFS filesystem to the underlying RAID stripe from which the LUN
> was carved.

Which actually matters very little when WAFL between the FS and the
disk because WAFL uses copy-on-write and stages all it's writes
through NVRAM and so you've got no idea what the alignment of any
given address in the filesystem maps to, anyway.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-22 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-18 19:58 30 TB RAID6 + XFS slow write performance John Bokma
2011-07-19  0:00 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-07-19  8:37 ` Emmanuel Florac
2011-07-19 22:37   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-07-20  0:20     ` Dave Chinner
2011-07-20  5:16       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-07-20  6:44         ` Dave Chinner
2011-07-20 12:10           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-07-20 14:04             ` Michael Monnerie
2011-07-20 23:01               ` Dave Chinner
2011-07-21  6:19                 ` Michael Monnerie
2011-07-21  6:48                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-07-22  6:10                     ` Michael Monnerie
2011-07-22 18:05                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-07-22 23:10                         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2011-07-24  6:14                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-07-24  8:47                             ` Michael Monnerie

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