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From: Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>
To: Coly Li <colyli@gmail.com>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <aedilger@gmail.com>,
	Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:08:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110731070832.GA2848@noexit.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E33B1EC.9030004@gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 03:25:32PM +0800, Coly Li wrote:
> On 2011年07月29日 21:19, Joel Becker Wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 03:48:45AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> >> On 2011-07-28, at 4:07 PM, Joel Becker wrote:
> >>> 	We use ethernet crc32 in ocfs2.  btrfs uses crc32c.  Frankly, I
> >>> could have used crc32c if I'd really thought about the hardware
> >>> acceleration benefits.  I think it's a good idea for ext4.
> >>
> >> The problem with crc32[c] is that if you don't have hardware acceleration
> >> it is terribly slow.
> > 
> > 	We find ethernet crc32 just fine in ocfs2.  I use the kernel's
> > implementation, which survives everyone's network traffic, and of course
> > we added the triggers to jbd2 so we only have to do the calculations on
> > read and write.
> > 
> 
> Ext4 supports non-journal mode, and there are a few users (Google, Taobao, etc.).
> A trigger of jbd2 may not work well for non-journal Ext4 ...
> 
> And in non-journal mode, there is not copy of any meta data block in jbd2, we need to be
> more careful in check summing, e.g. inode/block bitmap blocks...

	Sure, but you could use a trigger in journaled mode and then do
the checksums directly in the __ext4_handle_journal_dirty_*() functions
in non-journaled mode.  Sure, it would be a little more CPU time, but
the user picked "checksums + no journal" at mkfs time.

Joel

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From: Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>
To: Coly Li <colyli@gmail.com>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <aedilger@gmail.com>,
	Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:08:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110731070832.GA2848@noexit.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E33B1EC.9030004@gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 03:25:32PM +0800, Coly Li wrote:
> On 2011年07月29日 21:19, Joel Becker Wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 03:48:45AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> >> On 2011-07-28, at 4:07 PM, Joel Becker wrote:
> >>> 	We use ethernet crc32 in ocfs2.  btrfs uses crc32c.  Frankly, I
> >>> could have used crc32c if I'd really thought about the hardware
> >>> acceleration benefits.  I think it's a good idea for ext4.
> >>
> >> The problem with crc32[c] is that if you don't have hardware acceleration
> >> it is terribly slow.
> > 
> > 	We find ethernet crc32 just fine in ocfs2.  I use the kernel's
> > implementation, which survives everyone's network traffic, and of course
> > we added the triggers to jbd2 so we only have to do the calculations on
> > read and write.
> > 
> 
> Ext4 supports non-journal mode, and there are a few users (Google, Taobao, etc.).
> A trigger of jbd2 may not work well for non-journal Ext4 ...
> 
> And in non-journal mode, there is not copy of any meta data block in jbd2, we need to be
> more careful in check summing, e.g. inode/block bitmap blocks...

	Sure, but you could use a trigger in journaled mode and then do
the checksums directly in the __ext4_handle_journal_dirty_*() functions
in non-journaled mode.  Sure, it would be a little more CPU time, but
the user picked "checksums + no journal" at mkfs time.

Joel

-- 

 Joel's Second Law:

	If a code change requires additional user setup, it is wrong.

			http://www.jlbec.org/
			jlbec@evilplan.org

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-31  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-06 22:44 [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-06 22:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] ext4: Calculate and verify inode checksums Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-07  0:52   ` Sunil Mushran
2011-04-07 16:40     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-07 17:10       ` Sunil Mushran
2011-04-08 18:50         ` Joel Becker
2011-04-08 19:30           ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 19:30             ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08  8:58   ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-08 19:12     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 22:49       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-06 22:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] e2fsprogs: Add support for toggling, verifying, and fixing " Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08  9:14   ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-08 19:25     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 23:13       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-12  2:05         ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-08 19:27 ` [PATCH 0/2] Add inode checksum support to ext4 Mingming Cao
2011-04-08 20:17   ` Joel Becker
2011-04-09  0:04   ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-27  8:27   ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-07-27  9:16     ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-28 16:56       ` Darrick J. Wong
     [not found]         ` <CAOQ4uxiOpwX2-Nfh9wJ7wSmAnbj9bh1+d9C95-N5D-8saRr6ww@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-28 18:57           ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-07-29  9:55             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-28 22:07         ` Joel Becker
2011-07-29  9:48           ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-29 13:19             ` Joel Becker
2011-07-30  7:25               ` Coly Li
2011-07-31  7:08                 ` Joel Becker [this message]
2011-07-31  7:08                   ` Joel Becker
2011-07-31 23:52                   ` Coly Li
2011-07-31 23:52                     ` Coly Li
2011-08-01  4:57                     ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01  4:57                       ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01  5:04                       ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01  5:04                         ` Joel Becker
2011-08-01  7:16                         ` Coly Li
2011-08-01  7:16                           ` Coly Li
2011-07-30  7:25               ` Coly Li
2011-04-20 17:40 ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-20 22:54   ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-04-21  0:25     ` Andreas Dilger

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