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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: rjw@sisk.pl, paul@paulmenage.org, lizf@cn.fujitsu.com,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET] cgroup: introduce cgroup_taskset and consolidate subsys methods
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:53:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824135317.GD23979@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110824074959.GA14170@htj.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:49:59AM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Frederic.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 03:14:30AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > >  0001-cgroup-subsys-attach_task-should-be-called-after-mig.patch
> > >  0002-cgroup-improve-old-cgroup-handling-in-cgroup_attach_.patch
> > >  0003-cgroup-introduce-cgroup_taskset-and-use-it-in-subsys.patch
> > >  0004-cgroup-don-t-use-subsys-can_attach_task-or-attach_ta.patch
> > >  0005-cgroup-cpuset-don-t-use-ss-pre_attach.patch
> > >  0006-cgroup-kill-subsys-can_attach_task-pre_attach-and-at.patch
> > 
> > I don't understand the point on patches 3,4,5,6
> > 
> > Why pushing the task iterations down to the subsystems?
> 
> I'll try again.
> 
> It seems like methods were added to serve the immediate need of the
> particular user at the time and that in turn led to addition of
> callbacks which were both superflous and incomplete (the bullet points
> in the original message list them).  This seems to have happened
> because extra interface was added without trying to make the existing
> interface complete.
> 
> The interface is complicated and cumbersome to use - are
> [can_]attach() called first or [can_]attach_task()?  What about
> cancelation?  What if a subsys wants to perform operations across
> multiple tasks atomically?
> 
> In general, iteration-by-callback is painful to use.  Establishing
> common context (be it synchronization domain or shared variables)
> becomes very cumbersome and implementation becomes fragmented and
> difficult to follow.  For example, imagine how it would be like to use
> list if we had call_for_each_list_entry(func, list_head) instead of
> the control-loop style iterators we have know.
> 
> So, using iterators enables making all relevant information to each
> stage of attach so that only one callback is required for each step -
> the way it should be.  In addition, it makes it far easier for
> subsystems to implement more involved logic in their methods.
> 
> I tried to make cgroup_freezer behave better which requires better
> synchronization against the freezer and, with the current interface,
> it's extremely ugly and painful.  The new interface is complete, easy
> to understand and use with far less subtleties.

Yeah it's true that the order between [can]attach/[can]attach_task plus
the added mess with pre_attach was not entirely sane. The fact we have
foo and foo_task is already a problem.

I guess we indeed need to sacrifice the iteration from the cgroup core
for that.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-08-24 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-23 22:19 [PATCHSET] cgroup: introduce cgroup_taskset and consolidate subsys methods Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` [PATCH 1/6] cgroup: subsys->attach_task() should be called after migration Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-2-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-24  0:32     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  0:32   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  0:32   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  1:31     ` Li Zefan
2011-08-24  1:31     ` Li Zefan
2011-08-24  1:31     ` Li Zefan
2011-08-23 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/6] cgroup: improve old cgroup handling in cgroup_attach_proc() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  8:51   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  8:51   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:03     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:03     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <CALdu-PAj1ZUmB2ixxA6yeppB8MerBGk1cSeQadobH0H4cRSe7Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:03       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-3-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:51     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:42     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:42   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:44     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:44     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <CALdu-PBr-tu1qzScvncr-N4EpPaQ7sTdHf28GhEv_MZLbo1eSg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:44       ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:42   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-23 22:19 ` [PATCH 3/6] cgroup: introduce cgroup_taskset and use it in subsys->can_attach(), cancel_attach() and attach() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  0:39   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  0:39   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  8:20     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  8:20     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20110825082049.GC3286-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:21         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  8:21       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  8:21       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  8:40         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20110825172140.eb34809f.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:40           ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  8:40         ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  8:37           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  8:37           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]           ` <CAOS58YPM=cuWjAF+VJ4QJ8bnRcVtaDCVXBJCpdWg+2=2GmnKrA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:37             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]     ` <20110825093958.75b95bd8.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:20       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-4-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  0:39     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-25  9:14     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:32     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:14   ` Paul Menage
     [not found]     ` <CALdu-PDAgqeRJt5vqTB9wddwz70Yn+Jf-Pb0dDKDBD_q37tHQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:20       ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:20     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:20     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:32       ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:32       ` Paul Menage
     [not found]       ` <20110825092045.GG3286-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:32         ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:14   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:32   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:32   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-23 22:19 ` [PATCH 4/6] cgroup: don't use subsys->can_attach_task() or ->attach_task() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  1:57   ` Matt Helsley
2011-08-24  1:57   ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]     ` <20110824015739.GE28444-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-24  7:54       ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  7:54     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  7:54     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-5-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-24  1:57     ` Matt Helsley
2011-08-25  9:07     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:07   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:07   ` Paul Menage
     [not found]     ` <CALdu-PCc2RzedXubReF9huamL6W+5qGCfXNNvqS2yUk3QTHRng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:12       ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` [PATCH 5/6] cgroup, cpuset: don't use ss->pre_attach() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  8:53   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:06     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:06     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <CALdu-PD5EbFJBRHf-iehPwb6vyJTYUTWZniihARFDZ7xRZ8_nQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:06       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-6-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  8:53     ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  8:53   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-23 22:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] cgroup: kill subsys->can_attach_task(), pre_attach() and attach_task() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:20 ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25  9:45   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-25  9:45   ` Paul Menage
     [not found]   ` <1314138000-2049-7-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-25  9:45     ` Paul Menage
     [not found] ` <1314138000-2049-1-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-23 22:19   ` [PATCH 1/6] cgroup: subsys->attach_task() should be called after migration Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19   ` [PATCH 2/6] cgroup: improve old cgroup handling in cgroup_attach_proc() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19   ` [PATCH 3/6] cgroup: introduce cgroup_taskset and use it in subsys->can_attach(), cancel_attach() and attach() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19   ` [PATCH 4/6] cgroup: don't use subsys->can_attach_task() or ->attach_task() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19   ` [PATCH 5/6] cgroup, cpuset: don't use ss->pre_attach() Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:20   ` [PATCH 6/6] cgroup: kill subsys->can_attach_task(), pre_attach() and attach_task() Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  1:14   ` [PATCHSET] cgroup: introduce cgroup_taskset and consolidate subsys methods Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  1:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  7:49   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20110824074959.GA14170-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-24 13:53       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24 13:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2011-08-24 13:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-08-24  7:49   ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  7:49   ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  1:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-23 22:19 Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 22:19 Tejun Heo

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