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From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Brestic <abrestic@google.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] Revert "memcg: add memory.vmscan_stat"
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:04:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110830070424.GA13061@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110830101233.ae416284.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:12:33AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:51:13 +0200
> Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:33:45AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:43:33 +0200
> > > Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 05:15:40PM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > > > +When under_hierarchy is added in the tail, the number indicates the
> > > > > +total memcg scan of its children and itself.
> > > > 
> > > > In your implementation, statistics are only accounted to the memcg
> > > > triggering the limit and the respectively scanned memcgs.
> > > > 
> > > > Consider the following setup:
> > > > 
> > > >         A
> > > >        / \
> > > >       B   C
> > > >      /
> > > >     D
> > > > 
> > > > If D tries to charge but hits the limit of A, then B's hierarchy
> > > > counters do not reflect the reclaim activity resulting in D.
> > > > 
> > > yes, as I expected.
> > 
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > with a flawed design, the author unwilling to fix it, and two NAKs,
> > can we please revert this before the release?
> 
> How about this ?

> @@ -1710,11 +1711,18 @@ static void mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(s
>  	spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
>  	__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(memcg->scanstat.stats[context], rec);
>  	spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> -
> -	memcg = rec->root;
> -	spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> -	__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(memcg->scanstat.rootstats[context], rec);
> -	spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +	cgroup = memcg->css.cgroup;
> +	do {
> +		spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +		__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(
> +			memcg->scanstat.hierarchy_stats[context], rec);
> +		spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +		if (!cgroup->parent)
> +			break;
> +		cgroup = cgroup->parent;
> +		memcg = mem_cgroup_from_cont(cgroup);
> +	} while (memcg->use_hierarchy && memcg != rec->root);

Okay, so this looks correct, but it sums up all parents after each
memcg scanned, which could have a performance impact.  Usually,
hierarchy statistics are only summed up when a user reads them.

I don't get why this has to be done completely different from the way
we usually do things, without any justification, whatsoever.

Why do you want to pass a recording structure down the reclaim stack?
Why not make it per-cpu counters that are only summed up, together
with the hierarchy values, when someone is actually interested in
them?  With an interface like mem_cgroup_count_vm_event(), or maybe
even an extension of that function?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Brestic <abrestic@google.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] Revert "memcg: add memory.vmscan_stat"
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:04:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110830070424.GA13061@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110830101233.ae416284.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:12:33AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:51:13 +0200
> Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:33:45AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:43:33 +0200
> > > Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 05:15:40PM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > > > +When under_hierarchy is added in the tail, the number indicates the
> > > > > +total memcg scan of its children and itself.
> > > > 
> > > > In your implementation, statistics are only accounted to the memcg
> > > > triggering the limit and the respectively scanned memcgs.
> > > > 
> > > > Consider the following setup:
> > > > 
> > > >         A
> > > >        / \
> > > >       B   C
> > > >      /
> > > >     D
> > > > 
> > > > If D tries to charge but hits the limit of A, then B's hierarchy
> > > > counters do not reflect the reclaim activity resulting in D.
> > > > 
> > > yes, as I expected.
> > 
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > with a flawed design, the author unwilling to fix it, and two NAKs,
> > can we please revert this before the release?
> 
> How about this ?

> @@ -1710,11 +1711,18 @@ static void mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(s
>  	spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
>  	__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(memcg->scanstat.stats[context], rec);
>  	spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> -
> -	memcg = rec->root;
> -	spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> -	__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(memcg->scanstat.rootstats[context], rec);
> -	spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +	cgroup = memcg->css.cgroup;
> +	do {
> +		spin_lock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +		__mem_cgroup_record_scanstat(
> +			memcg->scanstat.hierarchy_stats[context], rec);
> +		spin_unlock(&memcg->scanstat.lock);
> +		if (!cgroup->parent)
> +			break;
> +		cgroup = cgroup->parent;
> +		memcg = mem_cgroup_from_cont(cgroup);
> +	} while (memcg->use_hierarchy && memcg != rec->root);

Okay, so this looks correct, but it sums up all parents after each
memcg scanned, which could have a performance impact.  Usually,
hierarchy statistics are only summed up when a user reads them.

I don't get why this has to be done completely different from the way
we usually do things, without any justification, whatsoever.

Why do you want to pass a recording structure down the reclaim stack?
Why not make it per-cpu counters that are only summed up, together
with the hierarchy values, when someone is actually interested in
them?  With an interface like mem_cgroup_count_vm_event(), or maybe
even an extension of that function?

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-30  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-22  8:15 [PATCH v3] memcg: add memory.vmscan_stat KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-07-22  8:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-08 12:43 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-08 12:43   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-08 23:33   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-08 23:33     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-09  8:01     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-09  8:01       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-09  8:01       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-09  8:01         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-13  1:04         ` Ying Han
2011-08-13  1:04           ` Ying Han
2011-08-29 15:51     ` [patch] Revert "memcg: add memory.vmscan_stat" Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29 15:51       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  1:12       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  1:12         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  7:04         ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2011-08-30  7:04           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  7:20           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  7:20             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  7:35             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  7:35               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  8:42             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  8:42               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  8:56               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30  8:56                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 10:17                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 10:17                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 10:34                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 10:34                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 11:03                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 11:03                       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 23:38                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 23:38                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 10:38                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 10:38                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 11:32                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 11:32                       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30 23:29                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-30 23:29                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-31  6:23                         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-31  6:23                           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-31  6:30                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-31  6:30                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-31  8:33                             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-31  8:33                               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-01  6:05               ` Ying Han
2011-09-01  6:05                 ` Ying Han
2011-09-01  6:40                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-01  6:40                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-01  7:04                   ` Ying Han
2011-09-01  7:04                     ` Ying Han
2011-09-01  8:27                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-01  8:27                       ` Johannes Weiner

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