From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] freezer: revert 27920651fe "PM / Freezer: Make fake_signal_wake_up() wake TASK_KILLABLE tasks too"
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:30:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111031233059.GI18855@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201111010024.16659.rjw@sisk.pl>
Hello,
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 12:24:16AM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > This is probably okay for most cases but circumventing fundamental
> > wakeup condition like this is asking for trouble. Furthermore, I'm
> > not sure the behavior change brought on by this change - breaking
> > nfs/cifs uninterruptible operation guarantee - is correct. If such
> > behavior is desirable, the right thing to do is using intr mount
> > option, not circumventing it from PM layer.
>
> Do you have any specific examples of breakage, or is it just that you _think_
> it's not quite right?
I can't remember one off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure there
at least are few which expect tight inter-locking between sleeps and
wakeups. I'll look for examples and post reply. ISTR them being
kernel threads so this might not apply directly but it's still a
dangerous game to play.
Bugs caused by behaviors like this will be very difficult to reproduce
and diagnose. There is no reason to play a gamble like this. If
somebody *really* wants non-interruptible killable & freezable sleep,
we really should be adding TASK_WAKE_FREEZER or something instead of
modifying the behavior of TASK_KILLABLE.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-31 23:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-31 22:17 [RFC PATCH] freezer: revert 27920651fe "PM / Freezer: Make fake_signal_wake_up() wake TASK_KILLABLE tasks too" Tejun Heo
2011-10-31 22:17 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111031221743.GA18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-31 23:17 ` Tejun Heo
2011-10-31 23:17 ` Tejun Heo
2011-10-31 23:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-31 23:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-31 23:30 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2011-11-01 0:55 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111101005505.GO18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 8:13 ` Jeff Layton
2011-11-01 8:13 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20111101041337.39077229-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 10:59 ` Jeff Layton
2011-11-01 10:59 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20111101065958.50addab5-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 16:30 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 16:30 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111101163059.GR18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 16:49 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-11-01 16:49 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1320166171.5019.1.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 16:55 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 16:55 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 17:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 17:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20111101175953.GB5358-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 18:06 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 18:06 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111101180601.GV18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 18:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 18:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20111101181329.GA6739-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 18:27 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 18:27 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111101182753.GW18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20111101193923.GA9444-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 19:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 19:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 21:57 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111101215710.GA13803-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-02 11:42 ` Jeff Layton
2011-11-02 11:42 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20111102074257.7174691c-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-02 15:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-02 15:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-02 16:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-02 16:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20111102162331.GA31947-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-02 23:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-02 23:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-03 11:15 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <201111030011.24062.rjw-KKrjLPT3xs0@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-03 15:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-03 15:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-02 17:53 ` [PATCH] wait_event_freezekillable: use freezer_do_not_count/freezer_count Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-02 17:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-03 10:42 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20111103064215.48939e1a-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-03 14:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-03 14:13 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111103141354.GB4417-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-03 15:27 ` Jeff Layton
2011-11-03 15:27 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20111103112704.4b905bfc-xSBYVWDuneFaJnirhKH9O4GKTjYczspe@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-03 15:30 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-03 15:30 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-01 18:26 ` [RFC PATCH] freezer: revert 27920651fe "PM / Freezer: Make fake_signal_wake_up() wake TASK_KILLABLE tasks too" Jeff Layton
2011-11-01 18:26 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <201111010024.16659.rjw-KKrjLPT3xs0@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-31 23:45 ` Steve French
2011-10-31 23:45 ` Steve French
[not found] ` <CAH2r5msMiG8MjhYuVv8ehqkBLKc1Av3hi+2q6zwrrXdTTa_+YQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-10-31 23:53 ` Tejun Heo
2011-10-31 23:53 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20111031235335.GL18855-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-11-01 0:02 ` Steve French
2011-11-01 0:02 ` Steve French
2011-11-01 17:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-11-01 17:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
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