From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:36:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111101123608.GD25123@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRRZBUcfv5kT4aYm=Z3+kc-usYJVqyc_+1gAEy-4yH_nPQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:22:14AM -0700, Colin Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Colin Cross wrote:
> >
> >> > gfp_allowed_mask is initialized to GFP_BOOT_MASK to start so that __GFP_FS
> >> > is never allowed before the slab allocator is completely initialized, so
> >> > you've now implicitly made all early boot allocations to be __GFP_NORETRY
> >> > even though they may not pass it.
> >>
> >> Only before interrupts are enabled, and then isn't it vulnerable to
> >> the same livelock? Interrupts are off, single cpu, kswapd can't run.
> >> If an allocation ever failed, which seems unlikely, why would retrying
> >> help?
> >>
> >
> > If you want to claim gfp_allowed_mask as a pm-only entity, then I see no
> > problem with this approach. However, if gfp_allowed_mask would be allowed
> > to temporarily change after init for another purpose then it would make
> > sense to retry because another allocation with __GFP_FS on another cpu or
> > kswapd could start making progress could allow for future memory freeing.
> >
> > The suggestion to add a hook directly into a pm-interface was so that we
> > could isolate it only to suspend and, to me, is the most maintainable
> > solution.
> >
>
> pm_restrict_gfp_mask seems to claim gfp_allowed_mask as owned by pm at runtime:
> "gfp_allowed_mask also should only be modified with pm_mutex held,
> unless the suspend/hibernate code is guaranteed not to run in parallel
> with that modification"
>
> I think we've wrapped around to Mel's original patch, which adds a
> pm_suspending() helper that is implemented next to
> pm_restrict_gfp_mask. His patch puts the check inside
> !did_some_progress instead of should_alloc_retry, which I prefer as it
> at least keeps trying until reclaim isn't working. Pekka was trying
> to avoid adding pm-specific checks into the allocator, which is why I
> stuck to the symptom (__GFP_FS is clear) rather than the cause (PM).
>
Right now, I'm still no seeing a problem with the pm_suspending() check
as it's made for a corner-case situation in a very slow path that is
self-documenting. This thread has died somewhat and there is still no
fix merged. Is someone cooking up a patch they would prefer as an
alternative? If not, I'm going to resubmit the fix based on
pm_suspending.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:36:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111101123608.GD25123@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMbhsRRZBUcfv5kT4aYm=Z3+kc-usYJVqyc_+1gAEy-4yH_nPQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:22:14AM -0700, Colin Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Colin Cross wrote:
> >
> >> > gfp_allowed_mask is initialized to GFP_BOOT_MASK to start so that __GFP_FS
> >> > is never allowed before the slab allocator is completely initialized, so
> >> > you've now implicitly made all early boot allocations to be __GFP_NORETRY
> >> > even though they may not pass it.
> >>
> >> Only before interrupts are enabled, and then isn't it vulnerable to
> >> the same livelock? Interrupts are off, single cpu, kswapd can't run.
> >> If an allocation ever failed, which seems unlikely, why would retrying
> >> help?
> >>
> >
> > If you want to claim gfp_allowed_mask as a pm-only entity, then I see no
> > problem with this approach. However, if gfp_allowed_mask would be allowed
> > to temporarily change after init for another purpose then it would make
> > sense to retry because another allocation with __GFP_FS on another cpu or
> > kswapd could start making progress could allow for future memory freeing.
> >
> > The suggestion to add a hook directly into a pm-interface was so that we
> > could isolate it only to suspend and, to me, is the most maintainable
> > solution.
> >
>
> pm_restrict_gfp_mask seems to claim gfp_allowed_mask as owned by pm at runtime:
> "gfp_allowed_mask also should only be modified with pm_mutex held,
> unless the suspend/hibernate code is guaranteed not to run in parallel
> with that modification"
>
> I think we've wrapped around to Mel's original patch, which adds a
> pm_suspending() helper that is implemented next to
> pm_restrict_gfp_mask. His patch puts the check inside
> !did_some_progress instead of should_alloc_retry, which I prefer as it
> at least keeps trying until reclaim isn't working. Pekka was trying
> to avoid adding pm-specific checks into the allocator, which is why I
> stuck to the symptom (__GFP_FS is clear) rather than the cause (PM).
>
Right now, I'm still no seeing a problem with the pm_suspending() check
as it's made for a corner-case situation in a very slow path that is
self-documenting. This thread has died somewhat and there is still no
fix merged. Is someone cooking up a patch they would prefer as an
alternative? If not, I'm going to resubmit the fix based on
pm_suspending.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-01 12:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-25 6:39 [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations Colin Cross
2011-10-25 6:39 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 7:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 7:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 7:51 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 7:51 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 8:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 8:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 22:12 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25 22:12 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25 9:09 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 9:09 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 9:26 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 9:26 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 11:23 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 11:23 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 17:08 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 17:08 ` Colin Cross
2011-11-01 12:28 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-01 12:28 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 19:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 19:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-01 12:29 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-01 12:29 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 19:29 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 19:29 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 22:18 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25 22:18 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 1:46 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 1:46 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 5:47 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 5:47 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:12 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:12 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:16 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:16 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:24 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:24 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:26 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:26 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:33 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:33 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:36 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:36 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:51 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:51 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 6:57 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 6:57 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 7:10 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 7:10 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26 7:22 ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26 7:22 ` Colin Cross
2011-11-01 12:36 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-11-01 12:36 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 22:10 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25 22:10 ` David Rientjes
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-11-14 14:04 Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 14:04 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 18:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-14 18:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 10:30 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 10:30 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-14 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:43 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:43 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 16:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-15 16:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-15 17:36 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 17:36 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 0:22 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 0:22 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 0:28 ` Colin Cross
2011-11-16 0:28 ` Colin Cross
2011-11-16 0:45 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 0:45 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 7:10 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-16 7:10 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-16 21:44 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 21:44 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 21:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-16 21:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-16 22:07 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 22:07 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 22:48 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 22:48 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:40 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:40 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 9:52 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 9:52 ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 21:39 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 21:39 ` David Rientjes
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