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From: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 3/3] image: Allow images to indicate they're loadable at any address
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:35:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201111081235.05464.marek.vasut@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111108083840.40E5113BE08A@gemini.denx.de>

> Dear Nicolas Pitre,
> 
> In message <alpine.LFD.2.02.1111071942150.3307@xanadu.home> you wrote:
> > > But as you said yourself, the (raw) kernel is not relocatable.  It
> > > gets loaded and started at pre-defined (at image build time)
> > > addresses.  Only the kernel wrapper adds the complexity you are
> > > complaining about.  Drop it, then.
> > 
> > Many of us insist on preserving that complexity.  From our point of
> > view, it is u-Boot which is too complex and should drop its uImage
> > complexity.
> 
> Insisting without giving explanations about the reasons is not exactly
> a constructive form of a discussion.  Actually it is no discussion at
> all.

Ok, so guys ... let me ask a stupid question:

Will it be a problem to extend bootm (if not already done) to load zImages 
directly, with -z option for example ? Won't that satisty both parties -- 
Wolfgang because the "better" solution will still be there (uImage) -- and Nico 
so he can load his "worse" solution (zImage).

And please don't flame me about this "worse" and "better" stuff, you get the 
idea.

M

> 
> > But instead of asking you to drop u-Boot's complexity, I'm only asking
> > for u-Boot to let both methods to coexist and work.
> 
> Ok, we can make a deal on such a base.  See the suggestion inmy
> previous message.
> 
> > Given that the zImage "complexity" is not going away because we insist
> > on keeping it, either we find a middle ground such as Stephen's patches,
> > or we advocate for a different bootloader on ARM.
> > 
> > Do you never happend to compromize once in a while?
> 
> In my understanding, compromize is not a one-sided business.
> 
> It is actually easy to convince me, but it needs facts and arguments,
> not mere insisting on preconceived statements or plain extortion.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Wolfgang Denk

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-08 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-01 16:28 [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 1/3] image: Make image_get_fdt work like image_get_{ram_disk, kernel} Stephen Warren
2011-11-01 16:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 2/3] image: Support FDTs already loaded at their load address Stephen Warren
2012-03-06 21:18   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-01 16:28 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 3/3] image: Allow images to indicate they're loadable at any address Stephen Warren
2011-11-05 22:20   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 16:56     ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 17:09       ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 19:47         ` Simon Glass
2011-11-07 20:29           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 21:17           ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 22:11             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 22:30               ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 23:08                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08  0:00                   ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-08  0:27                     ` Wolfgang Denk
     [not found]     ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF173F9A5035@HQMAIL01.nvidia.com>
2011-11-07 20:26       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 21:04         ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-07 21:38           ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 21:59             ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-07 22:08               ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 22:27           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 22:41             ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 23:10               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-07 23:43                 ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 22:57             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-07 23:25               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08  0:10                 ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-08  0:29                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08  0:48                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-08  8:38                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 11:35                         ` Marek Vasut [this message]
2011-11-08 11:50                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 11:52                             ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-08 18:17                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                             ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF173F9A5424@HQMAIL01.nvidia.com>
2011-11-08 19:44                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 21:17                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 22:27                                   ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-08 22:46                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08  0:35                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-08  1:10                   ` Simon Glass
2011-11-08  3:51                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-08  5:37                       ` Simon Glass
2011-11-08  8:45                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 14:22                         ` Loïc Minier
2011-11-08 14:52                       ` Jason
2011-11-08 20:18                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-12-10 22:42                     ` Linus Walleij
2011-12-10 22:53                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-12-10 23:21                         ` Linus Walleij
2011-12-12 16:25                       ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-08  8:33                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 14:26                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-08 15:01                       ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-08 15:59                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 16:57                         ` Detlev Zundel
2011-11-08 20:05                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-07 21:27         ` Stephen Warren
2011-11-07 21:41           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-11-07 22:42             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 18:41 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 1/3] image: Make image_get_fdt work like image_get_{ram_disk, kernel} Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 19:21   ` Simon Glass
2011-11-05 19:39     ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 20:38       ` Simon Glass
2011-11-05 20:41         ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 20:49           ` Simon Glass
2011-11-05 22:15           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 22:18             ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 22:06       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 21:53     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 22:06       ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 22:22         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-06  4:52       ` Simon Glass
2011-11-06  8:57         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 21:40   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 22:06     ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-05 22:24       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-05 22:38         ` Marek Vasut
2011-11-08 14:24   ` Loïc Minier
2011-11-08 16:06 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-11-08 18:15   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <74CDBE0F657A3D45AFBB94109FB122FF173F9A5415@HQMAIL01.nvidia.com>
2011-11-08 19:33     ` Wolfgang Denk

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