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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] kvm tool: Serial emulation overhaul
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:53:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111211155347.GA1297@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1112111459270.3020@ionos>


* Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> > In theory a kvm driven serial console should be extremely 
> > fast, much faster than a real serial console, basically as 
> > fast as a local console. Yet this still does not seem to be 
> > the case.
> > 
> > In fact even ssh-ing in to a box over Wifi and running the 
> > above top session is undistinguishable from top running in a 
> > local console. So IMO it cannot be virtualization overhead - 
> > there must still be some delay or serious lack of buffering 
> > somewhere.
> 
> Well, the difference between ssh and serial is, that ssh can 
> pack 1.5k worth of data into one frame, while serial has to 
> send it piecewise. And the emulation has to trap into kvm tool 
> for each tx byte, which doesnt help either. We cannot do much 
> with buffering on the kvm tool side as we have no clue how 
> much consecutive data will come in. That's why there is a 
> virtual console, which has the disadvantage that you cant see 
> the early boot messages.

Okay, but look at it from another angle: the top output i 
generate is about 300k characters. 5000 msecs to execute it 
means 16 usecs overhead per character - or about 50k cycles - on 
a top of the class x86 CPU.

50k cycles for every single byte. And as a user i notice that 
first hand.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-11 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-10 13:27 [patch 0/3] kvm tool: Serial emulation overhaul Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-10 13:27 ` [patch 1/3] kvm tool: serial: Cleanup coding style Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-10 13:27 ` [patch 2/3] kvm tool: serial: Simplify switch cases Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-10 13:27 ` [patch 3/3] kvm tool: serial: Fix interrupt handling Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-10 15:17 ` [patch 0/3] kvm tool: Serial emulation overhaul Pekka Enberg
2011-12-10 20:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-11  8:15     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-11 10:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-11 10:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-11 14:04         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-11 15:53           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-12-12  5:30             ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-12 11:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-12 11:20                 ` Alan Cox
2011-12-12 17:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-12 18:16                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 18:16                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 21:36                     ` Alan Cox
2011-12-13 10:32                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 11:23                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-12-12 17:40                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-12 17:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-12  9:42             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-12 11:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-12 17:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-12 18:40                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-12 19:14                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-12 19:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-13  0:59                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-13  7:03                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-13 11:05                         ` Alan Cox
2011-12-13 10:58                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-13 13:52                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-13 14:23                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-13 14:30                             ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-13 14:51                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-12-13 14:58                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 21:03                   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2011-12-12 18:19               ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 18:31                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-12-13 10:33                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 10:27           ` Alan Cox
2011-12-12 10:59             ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-12 11:02               ` Alan Cox
2011-12-12 18:21                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-12 17:21               ` Ingo Molnar

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