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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2 v3] kvm: notify host when guest panicked
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:25:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120314132552.GC2304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F609A15.5020902@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:16:05PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 03/14/2012 03:14 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:07:46PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > On 03/14/2012 01:11 PM, Wen Congyang wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think we want to use the driver.  Instead, have a small piece of
> > > > > code that resets the device and pushes out a string (the panic message?)
> > > > > without any interrupts etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's still going to be less reliable than a hypercall, I agree.
> > > >
> > > > Do you still want to use complicated and less reliable way?
> > > 
> > > Are you willing to try it out and see how complicated it really is?
> > > 
> > > While it's more complicated, it's also more flexible.  You can
> > > communicate the panic message, whether the guest is attempting a kdump
> > > and its own recovery or whether it wants the host to do it, etc., you
> > > can communicate less severe failures like oopses.
> > > 
> > hypercall can take arguments to achieve the same.
> 
> It has to be designed in advance; and every time we notice something's
> missing we have to update the host kernel.
> 

We and in the designed stage now. Not to late to design something flexible
:) Panic hypercall can take GPA of a buffer where host puts panic info
as a parameter.  This buffer can be read by QEMU and passed to management.

> > > > I think the other ones prefer to touch the hypervisor.
> > > 
> > > I understand the sentiment.  Your patches are simple and easy.  But my
> > > feeling is that the kernel has become too complicated already and I'm
> > > looking for ways to limit changes.
> > > 
> > Using virtio-serial will not reduce kernel complexity. Quite contrary
> > since code that will use virtio-serial will be more complicated.
> 
> The host kernel is unmodified though.
> 
Yes, this is trade-off between complexity in hypervisor and a guest
kernel. But in the end we use the same kernel for both.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-14 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08  7:57 [PATCH 0/2 v3] kvm: notify host when guest panicked Wen Congyang
2012-03-08  8:02 ` [PATCH 1/2 " Wen Congyang
2012-03-08  8:04 ` [PATCH 2/2 v3] kvm: set exit_reason to KVM_EXIT_GUEST_PANICKED " Wen Congyang
2012-03-08  8:06 ` [PATCH 1/2 v3] update linux-headers Wen Congyang
2012-03-08  8:07 ` [PATCH 2/2 v3] deal with guest panicked event Wen Congyang
2012-03-08 10:08   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-08 10:11     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-08 10:15   ` [RESEND][PATCH " Wen Congyang
2012-03-08 11:28     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 11:36       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-08 11:52         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 11:56           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-08 11:56             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-09 22:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-03-21 19:01               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12  1:46             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-12  1:46               ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-08 11:13 ` [PATCH 0/2 v3] kvm: notify host when guest panicked Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 11:13   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-09  1:21   ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-09  1:21     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-12  9:04     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-12 10:33       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13  6:44         ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-13  8:54           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13  9:18         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-13 10:47           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 10:47             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14  8:29             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14  8:29               ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14  9:24               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14  9:53                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:07                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 10:26                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:29                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 10:46                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 10:48                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 11:11                             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 11:11                               ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 13:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 13:13                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 13:14                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 13:16                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 13:25                                     ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2012-03-14 18:46                                       ` Eric Northup
2012-03-15  7:01                                         ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-15  7:01                                           ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-15 10:39                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-15 11:25                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-15 11:46                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-16  8:05                                               ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-21 19:12                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22  8:34                                                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 18:47                                       ` Eric Northup
2012-03-14 18:47                                         ` Eric Northup
2012-03-14 10:37                   ` Amit Shah
2012-03-14 10:37                     ` Amit Shah
2012-03-14 10:52                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:52                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 10:57                         ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:58                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 11:13                             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 11:13                               ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:52                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 10:58                         ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:59                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-14 11:06                             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 11:11                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 11:17                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-14 10:59                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 10:57                       ` Amit Shah
2012-03-14  9:51               ` Amit Shah
2012-03-14 10:04                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 10:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 10:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 10:40                   ` Amit Shah
2012-03-14 10:42                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-14 10:57                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-14 10:57                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-14 11:01                   ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-14 11:01                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-21 19:04             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22  7:33               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 10:31     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19  7:33 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-20  9:59   ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-20 15:45     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-21  0:56       ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-21  9:11         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-21  9:35           ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-21  9:35             ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-21  9:42             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-21 16:18           ` Corey Minyard
2012-03-21 16:24             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-21 16:24               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-21 16:25             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-21 17:04               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-21 17:34                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-21 18:17                   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-21 18:17                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-21 19:19               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22  1:05                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-22  1:05                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-03-22  7:31                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22  7:44                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-22  8:36                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22  8:36                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22  7:28                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22  7:28                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22  7:40                   ` Wen Congyang
2012-04-17  3:14       ` Wen Congyang
2012-04-02 10:05   ` Wen Congyang
2012-04-02 10:54     ` Amit Shah
2012-04-02 10:54       ` Amit Shah

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