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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Marco Stornelli <marco.stornelli@gmail.com>
Cc: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:18:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120515191810.GA11028@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FB2996F.40708@gmail.com>

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:59:11PM +0200, Marco Stornelli wrote:
> Only a really really stupid question (I don't know NFS protocol well
> enough). In 3.3 kernel, I see that only ext4 uses MS_I_VERSION, so I
> wonder: if i_version change it's needed for exportable fs and so for
> nfs, other exportable fs?

Yes, it's needed for others as well.  I believe btrfs and xfs are both
adding it.

We're currently using ctime for the nfs change attribute.  That's
effectively jiffy granularity.  So to see the problem at a minimum you'd
need two writes to be processed within one jiffy, and a stat to come
between them.  But that's a correctness problem, and we'd like to see it
fixed before it becomes more common.

More generally, it's useful to be able to ask whether a file changed
without rereading all its data, and a clock that registers every change
and is consistent across a filesystem sounds difficult to scale.  We may
eventually find we need something like this outside nfs.

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-15 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-14 14:06 [PATCH] ext4: turn on i_version updates by default J. Bruce Fields
     [not found] ` <20120514140618.GA29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:02   ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 15:02     ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]     ` <9124E59E-2479-4C32-A528-3237B48DEC01-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 15:23       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-14 15:23         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20120514152334.GB29902-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:27           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 17:27             ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]             ` <14B38D68-FAE4-444A-BCD9-7EBF7E1BBFE1-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 17:58               ` Ted Ts'o
2012-05-14 17:58                 ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                 ` <20120514175822.GC1439-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:33                   ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-14 18:33                     ` Josef Bacik
     [not found]                     ` <20120514183316.GA1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:48                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-05-14 18:48                         ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                         ` <20120514144802.679551fa-4QP7MXygkU+dMjc06nkz3ljfA9RmPOcC@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 18:51                           ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-14 18:51                             ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-14 18:54                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-14 18:54                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-14 19:05                         ` Josef Bacik
     [not found]                           ` <20120514190500.GC1894-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 21:27                             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 21:27                               ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-15 13:28                               ` Josef Bacik
2012-05-15 17:59                                 ` Marco Stornelli
2012-05-15 19:18                                   ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2012-05-15 17:33             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 18:50               ` djwong
2012-05-14 23:08     ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-05-14 23:08       ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]       ` <1337036918.2522.32.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-14 23:33         ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 23:33           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-14 23:54           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]             ` <20120514235432.GA3199-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-15 10:30               ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15 10:30                 ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15 12:35                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-15 14:43                   ` Jan Kara
2012-05-15  0:13           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-05-15  0:13             ` Myklebust, Trond

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