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From: Thomas Renninger <trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Do not allow MSR or Embedded Controller writes from userspace in secure boot case
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:38:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201211081538.34091.trenn@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <509AE5DA.1030508-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:51:06 PM H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 11/07/2012 10:54 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Is there a case where modifying MSRs or EC registers can cause
> > arbitrary code execution?
> 
> For MSRs we could have a whitelist of permitted MSRs, but allowing
> general MSR access... no.

BTW: Who decides what is allowed and what is not?

1) hpa?
2) Intel
3) The efi list?
4) The spec?
5) Windows when they threat distributions to revoke their
   key if they do not do this and that?

I guess it should be the spec. I haven't read the details, but
when even Matthew is not sure, it sounds as if this is phrased
rather imprecise. And as Windows is afaik the central key authority
they can enforce their interpretation of the spec for Linux as well?

An example:

I have seen (shortened) a patch like this:

Secure boot: Add a dummy kernel parameter that will switch on Secure Boot mode
+__setup("secureboot_enable=", secureboot_enable_opt);

This is to enforce secure boot restrictions even if
HW does not support UEFI version 2.3.1 (or whatsoever).

I like to have this boot parameter to also work the
other way around:
secureboot_enable=no
and let all secure boot things fall off, only set a
TAINT_INSECURE_BOOT_EVEN_BIOS_REQUESTED_SECURE_BOOT

Can SUSE sign this kernel without fearing to get the key revoked
from Windows?
Can this exist in the mainline kernel?

   Thomas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-08 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-07 21:28 Do not allow MSR or Embedded Controller writes from userspace in secure boot case Thomas Renninger
     [not found] ` <1352323699-52400-1-git-send-email-trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 21:28   ` [PATCH 1/2] ACPI ec_sys: Do not allow write access to EC in secure boot mode Thomas Renninger
2012-11-07 21:28   ` [PATCH 2/2] X86 msr: Do not allow MSR writes " Thomas Renninger
2012-11-07 21:54   ` Do not allow MSR or Embedded Controller writes from userspace in secure boot case Matthew Garrett
     [not found]     ` <20121107215403.GA7277-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 22:50       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-07 22:51       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]         ` <509AE5DA.1030508-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 23:21           ` Alan Cox
2012-11-08 14:38           ` Thomas Renninger [this message]
     [not found]             ` <201211081538.34091.trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 14:41               ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                 ` <20121108144125.GC24094-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 14:44                   ` Shea Levy
     [not found]                     ` <509BC53B.5070304-yfkUTty7RcRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 14:47                       ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-09 12:35               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-08  9:40       ` Thomas Renninger
     [not found]         ` <201211081040.33981.trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 14:39           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]             ` <20121108143919.GB24094-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 16:43               ` Alan Cox
2012-11-07 23:27   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]     ` <20121107232722.67589868-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 14:19       ` [RFC] [PATCH] X86 MSR read whitelist Thomas Renninger
     [not found]         ` <201211081519.23364.trenn-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 15:36           ` Alan Cox

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