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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: balbi@ti.com
Cc: kishon <kishon@ti.com>,
	rob@landley.net, tony@atomide.com, linux@arm.linux.org.uk,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Generic PHY Framework
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:28:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201302191528.17698.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130219150500.GG4390@arwen.pp.htv.fi>

On Tuesday 19 February 2013, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:34:40PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 February 2013, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:33:54PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > It's a fine line, but I think a phy is something that resembles a device
> > more than an LED does. When I read patch 1, I also noticed and commented
> > on the fact that it does use a 'class'. Now, according to Greg, we should
> > use 'bus_type' instead of 'class' in new code. I originally disagreed with
> > that concept, but he's the boss here and it's good if he has a vision
> > how things should be lined out.
> > 
> > In practice, there is little difference between a 'bus_type' and a 'class',
> > so just replace any instance of the former with the latter in your head
> > when reading the code ;-)
> 
> it's not so simple :-) if we must use bus_type we need to introduce all
> the device/driver matching mechanism which isn't necessary with a class.

I think the idea is to use a bus_type that has devices but no drivers
associated with it, but I might be misremembering things.

> > I understand that there is not a real common bus here, and the bus_type
> > infrastructure would basically be used as a way to represent each PHY
> > in sysfs and provide a way to enumerate and look them up inside of the
> > kernel.
> 
> right, but maybe we need another mechanism. If, in the long run we must
> use bus_type, then eventually pwm, led, regulators, etc will all be
> converted to bus_type. It will look quite weird IMHO.

Yes, it would be a bit unusual, I agree.

> Greg, can you pitch your suggestion here ? It would be great to hear
> your rationale behind dropping class infrastructure, couldn't find
> anything through Google and since feature-removal-schedule.txt has been
> removed (without adding it to feature-removal-schedule.txt, I must add
> :-) I don't know what's the idea behind removing classes.

I believe for now, the idea is to not add any new classes, but keep
the existing ones for compatibility. 'struct class_device' however
was already removed and got turned into 'struct device'.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 0/5] Generic PHY Framework
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:28:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201302191528.17698.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130219150500.GG4390@arwen.pp.htv.fi>

On Tuesday 19 February 2013, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:34:40PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 February 2013, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:33:54PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > It's a fine line, but I think a phy is something that resembles a device
> > more than an LED does. When I read patch 1, I also noticed and commented
> > on the fact that it does use a 'class'. Now, according to Greg, we should
> > use 'bus_type' instead of 'class' in new code. I originally disagreed with
> > that concept, but he's the boss here and it's good if he has a vision
> > how things should be lined out.
> > 
> > In practice, there is little difference between a 'bus_type' and a 'class',
> > so just replace any instance of the former with the latter in your head
> > when reading the code ;-)
> 
> it's not so simple :-) if we must use bus_type we need to introduce all
> the device/driver matching mechanism which isn't necessary with a class.

I think the idea is to use a bus_type that has devices but no drivers
associated with it, but I might be misremembering things.

> > I understand that there is not a real common bus here, and the bus_type
> > infrastructure would basically be used as a way to represent each PHY
> > in sysfs and provide a way to enumerate and look them up inside of the
> > kernel.
> 
> right, but maybe we need another mechanism. If, in the long run we must
> use bus_type, then eventually pwm, led, regulators, etc will all be
> converted to bus_type. It will look quite weird IMHO.

Yes, it would be a bit unusual, I agree.

> Greg, can you pitch your suggestion here ? It would be great to hear
> your rationale behind dropping class infrastructure, couldn't find
> anything through Google and since feature-removal-schedule.txt has been
> removed (without adding it to feature-removal-schedule.txt, I must add
> :-) I don't know what's the idea behind removing classes.

I believe for now, the idea is to not add any new classes, but keep
the existing ones for compatibility. 'struct class_device' however
was already removed and got turned into 'struct device'.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-19 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-19  5:53 [PATCH v2 0/5] Generic PHY Framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] drivers: phy: add generic PHY framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  8:01   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19  8:01     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19  8:01     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 12:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 12:56     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 13:56     ` kishon
2013-02-19 13:56       ` kishon
2013-02-19 13:56       ` kishon
2013-02-19 14:28       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 14:28         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-23 22:44   ` Rob Landley
2013-02-23 22:44     ` Rob Landley
2013-02-23 22:44     ` Rob Landley
2013-02-25  6:41     ` kishon
2013-02-25  6:41       ` kishon
2013-02-25  6:41       ` kishon
2013-02-19  5:53 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] usb: phy: omap-usb2: use the new " Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  8:11   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19  8:11     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19  8:11     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19  5:53 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] usb: otg: twl4030: " Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] ARM: OMAP: USB: Add phy binding information Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] usb: musb: omap2430: use the new generic PHY framework Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19  5:53   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-02-19 10:44 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Generic PHY Framework Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 10:44   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 11:28   ` kishon
2013-02-19 11:28     ` kishon
2013-02-19 11:28     ` kishon
     [not found]     ` <512361F0.1070500-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-19 12:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 12:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 12:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 13:12         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 13:12           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 13:12           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 14:34           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 14:34             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 15:05             ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 15:05               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 15:05               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 15:28               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2013-02-19 15:28                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 15:47                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 15:47                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 15:47                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 16:07               ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2013-02-19 16:07                 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2013-02-19 16:17                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 16:17                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 16:17                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-23 20:05               ` Rob Landley
2013-02-23 20:05                 ` Rob Landley
2013-02-23 20:05                 ` Rob Landley

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