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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held!
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 20:05:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130306010507.GL15816@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACBanvo+JDCFVRQeTQwnwRRxr8bdqxdsgeEr8fqgJhGQJEEQ-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:59:00PM -0800, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:11 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:49:54AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:46:48AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
> >> > So, I think this is why implementing freezer as a separate blocking
> >> > mechanism isn't such a good idea.  We're effectively introducing a
> >> > completely new waiting state to a lot of unsuspecting paths which
> >> > generates a lot of risks and eventually extra complexity to work
> >> > around those.  I think we really should update freezer to re-use the
> >> > blocking points we already have - the ones used for signal delivery
> >> > and ptracing.  That way, other code paths don't have to worry about an
> >> > extra stop state and we can confine most complexities to freezer
> >> > proper.
> >>
> >> Also, consolidating those wait states means that we can solve the
> >> event-to-response latency problem for all three cases - signal, ptrace
> >> and freezer, rather than adding separate backing-out strategy for
> >> freezer.
> >
> > Meanwhile, as none of this sounds likely to be done this time
> > around--are we backing out the new lockdep warnings?
> >
> > --b.
> 
> What if we hide it behind a Kconfig? Its finding real bugs.
> 
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2013/3/5/583

If it's really just a 2-line patch to try_to_freeze(), could it just be
carried out-of-tree by people that are specifically working on tracking
down these problems?

But I don't have strong feelings about it--as long as it doesn't result
in the same known issues getting reported again and again....

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-06  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-04 13:57 LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Ming Lei
2013-03-04 14:14 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 14:23   ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 19:55     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:53       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-04 22:08         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-05 13:23           ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 17:46             ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 17:49               ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 19:03                 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 19:09                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 23:39                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:47                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:16                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:53                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:24                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:36                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:40                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-13 15:17                                       ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-31  0:07                                         ` Paul Walmsley
2013-03-07 11:41                                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-07 15:25                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-07 15:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 15:59                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 16:25                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 16:45                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 17:03                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 17:16                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 21:43                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-08 14:01                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-07 20:55                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-07 16:00                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:17                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:40                         ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:45                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  1:10                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06  1:14                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  1:28                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 12:00                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:11                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-06  0:02                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-06  0:30                   ` [PATCH] lockdep: make lock held while freezing check optional Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-07 12:03                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-03-06  0:59                   ` LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06  1:05                     ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2013-03-06  1:16                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  3:11                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06  9:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-06 12:06                             ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 15:59                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06 18:23                                 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:37                                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06 20:15                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 14:40   ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:04     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 15:33       ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:53         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 20:09           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:10             ` Mandeep Singh Baines

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