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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Cc: dan.magenheimer@oracle.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	keir@xen.org, keir.xen@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mmu: Introduce XENMEM_claim_pages (subop of memory ops).
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:59:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130307145945.GB15130@phenom.dumpdata.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130306153627.GA12500@phenom.dumpdata.com>

> > > The big thing is *might*. I put this in the code path to explain better:
> > > 
> > >   /* note; The usage of tmem claim means that allocation from a guest *might*
> > > +     * have to come from freeable memory. Using free memory is always better, if
> > > +     * it is available, than using freeable memory. This flag is for the use
> > > +     * case where the toolstack cannot be constantly aware of the exact current
> > > +     * value of free and/or freeable on each machine and is multi-machine
> > > +     * capable. It can try/fail a "normal" claim on all machines first then,
> > > +     * and if the normal claim on all machines fail, then "fallback" to a
> > > +     * tmem-flag type claim.
> > 
> > Oh I see.  That's pretty strange semantics for a 'claim', though.
> > Wouldn't it make sense for the toolstack just to query free and claimed
> > memory on the first pass and fail if there's not enough space?
> 
> So do something like this:
> 
> 	if ( dom->claim_enabled ) {
> 		unsigned long outstanding = xc_domain_get_outstanding_pages(dom->xch);
> 		xc_physinfo_t xcphysinfo = { 0 };
> 		int flag = XENMEMF_claim_normal;
> 	
> 		rc = xc_physinfo(dom->xch, &xcphysinfo);
> 
> 		if (xcphysinfo.total_pages + outstanding > dom->total_pages)
> 			flag = XENMEMF_claim_tmem;
> 
> 		rc = xc_domain_claim_pages(dom->xch, dom->guest_domid, dom->total_pages,
> 					   flag);
> 	}
> 
> (Ignorning the checks for 'rc' and bailing out as neccessary)
> 
> > The race between that query and the claim call (i.e. enough
> > actually-free space at query time but only freeable memory at claim
> > time) isn't materially different from the claim succeeding and then tmem
> > consuming the memory.  And a race between multiple claims can be
> > trivially avoided with a mutex in toolstack.
> 
> The location where the claim call is in the libxc toolstack (it seemed
> the most appropiate as it deals with the populate calls). There is no locking
> semantics at all in that library - that is something the other libraries - 
> such as libxl, have. The libxl has the lock, but it would be a coarse lock
> as it would be around:

..bla bla..

The other thought is just to drop the XENMEMF_claim_normal flag
and just have XENMEMF_claim_tmem flag and use that by default.

I think that will simplify this a lot more. Let me prep a patch
and have it ready by tomorrow.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-07 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-04 17:47 [PATCH v10] claim and its friends for allocating multiple self-ballooning guests Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 1/6] mmu: Introduce XENMEM_claim_pages (subop of memory ops) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 21:50   ` Keir Fraser
2013-03-05 12:01   ` Tim Deegan
2013-03-05 21:43     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-06  9:07       ` Tim Deegan
2013-03-06 15:36         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-07 14:59           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2013-03-07 15:56           ` Tim Deegan
2013-03-08 20:07             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-11  9:25               ` Tim Deegan
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 2/6] xc: use XENMEM_claim_pages during guest creation Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 3/6] xl: Implement XENMEM_claim_pages support via 'claim_mode' global config Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 4/6] xc: XENMEM_claim_pages claimed but not possesed value Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 5/6] xl: export 'unclaimed_pages' value from xcinfo Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-04 17:47 ` [PATCH 6/6] xl: 'xl list' supports '-c' for global claim information Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
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2013-03-11 14:20 [PATCH v11] claim and its friends for allocating multiple self-ballooning guests Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-11 14:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] mmu: Introduce XENMEM_claim_pages (subop of memory ops) Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk

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