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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: + atomic-improve-atomic_inc_unless_negative-atomic_dec_unless_positive .patch added to -mm tree
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:26:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130317172621.GQ3656@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130316183022.GB7560@redhat.com>

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 07:30:22PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 03/15, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:34:32PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > 2013/3/15 Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>:
> > > >
> > > > My point was: should we fix atomic_add_unless() then? If not, why
> > > > should atomic_add_unless_negative() differ?
> > >
> > > They shouldn't differ I guess.
> >
> > Completely agreed.  It is not like memory ordering is simple, so we should
> > keep the rules simple.
> 
> It is hardly possible to argue with this ;)
> 
> > The rule is that if an atomic primitive returns non-void, then there is
> > a full memory barrier before and after.
> 
> This case is documented...
> 
> > This applies to primitives
> > returning boolean as well, with atomic_dec_and_test() setting this
> > precedent from what I can see.
> 
> I don't think this is the "fair" comparison. Unlike atomic_add_unless(),
> atomic_dec_and_test() always changes the memory even if it "fails".
> 
> If atomic_add_unless() returns 0, nothing was changed and if we add
> the barrier it is not clear what it should be paired with.
> 
> But OK. I have to agree that "keep the rules simple" makes sense, so
> we should change atomic_add_unless() as well.

Agreed!

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-18 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-14 16:24 + atomic-improve-atomic_inc_unless_negative-atomic_dec_unless_positive .patch added to -mm tree Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-15  3:46 ` Ming Lei
2013-03-15 13:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-15 15:13     ` Ming Lei
2013-03-15 16:51       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-15 17:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-03-15 17:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-15 18:34             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-03-15 20:17               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-03-16 18:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-17 17:26                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-03-21 17:08                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-21 17:34                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-03-21 18:03                       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-03-21 18:30                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-21 22:56                           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-03-22 12:59                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-22 16:34                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-03-16 18:19               ` Oleg Nesterov

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