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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca,
	niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, sbw@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/7] rcu: Drive quiescent-state-forcing delay from HZ
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:26:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130415172618.GJ29861@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130415020354.GB3401@iris.ozlabs.ibm.com>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:03:54PM +1000, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:38:04PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 04:54:02PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 04:19:13PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Systems with HZ=100 can have slow bootup times due to the default
> > > > three-jiffy delays between quiescent-state forcing attempts.  This
> > > > commit therefore auto-tunes the RCU_JIFFIES_TILL_FORCE_QS value based
> > > > on the value of HZ.  However, this would break very large systems that
> > > > require more time between quiescent-state forcing attempts.  This
> > > > commit therefore also ups the default delay by one jiffy for each
> > > > 256 CPUs that might be on the system (based off of nr_cpu_ids at
> > > > runtime, -not- NR_CPUS at build time).
> > > > 
> > > > Reported-by: Paul Mackerras <paulus@au1.ibm.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > 
> > > Something seems very wrong if RCU regularly hits the fqs code during
> > > boot; feels like there's some more straightforward solution we're
> > > missing.  What causes these CPUs to fall under RCU's scrutiny during
> > > boot yet not actually hit the RCU codepaths naturally?
> > 
> > The problem is that they are running HZ=100, so that RCU will often
> > take 30-60 milliseconds per grace period.  At that point, you only
> > need 16-30 grace periods to chew up a full second, so it is not all
> > that hard to eat up the additional 8-12 seconds of boot time that
> > they were seeing.  IIRC, UP boot was costing them 4 seconds.
> 
> I added some instrumentation, which counted 202 calls to
> synchronize_sched() during boot (Fedora 17 minimal install +
> development tools) with a 3.8.0 kernel on a 4-cpu KVM virtual machine
> on a POWER7.  Without this patch, those 202 calls take up a total of
> 4.32 seconds; with it, they take up 3.6 seconds.  The kernel is
> compiled with HZ=100 and NR_CPUS=1024, like the standard Fedora
> kernel.

Going from 4.32 seconds down to 3.6 seconds is an improvement, but there
is clearly room for more.  The following experimental not-for-inclusion
patch might help get most of the remaining 3.6 seconds.  Could you please
try it out?

> I suspect a lot of the calls are in udevd and related processes.
> Interestingly there were no calls to synchronize_rcu_bh or
> synchronize_sched_expedited.

The lack of synchronize_rcu_bh() suggests that networking is not
involved in the slowdown.  The lack of synchronize_sched_expedited()
is not surprising, unless you booted with rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1,
but in that case I would expect a much greater reduction in boot time.

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

rcu: Not for inclusion: Force expedited grace periods

Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/kernel/rcutree.c b/kernel/rcutree.c
index a9610d1..55c5ef6 100644
--- a/kernel/rcutree.c
+++ b/kernel/rcutree.c
@@ -2420,7 +2420,7 @@ void synchronize_sched(void)
 			   "Illegal synchronize_sched() in RCU-sched read-side critical section");
 	if (rcu_blocking_is_gp())
 		return;
-	if (rcu_expedited)
+	if (1)
 		synchronize_sched_expedited();
 	else
 		wait_rcu_gp(call_rcu_sched);
@@ -2447,7 +2447,7 @@ void synchronize_rcu_bh(void)
 			   "Illegal synchronize_rcu_bh() in RCU-bh read-side critical section");
 	if (rcu_blocking_is_gp())
 		return;
-	if (rcu_expedited)
+	if (1)
 		synchronize_rcu_bh_expedited();
 	else
 		wait_rcu_gp(call_rcu_bh);
diff --git a/kernel/rcutree_plugin.h b/kernel/rcutree_plugin.h
index 46b93b0..190a199 100644
--- a/kernel/rcutree_plugin.h
+++ b/kernel/rcutree_plugin.h
@@ -711,7 +711,7 @@ void synchronize_rcu(void)
 			   "Illegal synchronize_rcu() in RCU read-side critical section");
 	if (!rcu_scheduler_active)
 		return;
-	if (rcu_expedited)
+	if (1)
 		synchronize_rcu_expedited();
 	else
 		wait_rcu_gp(call_rcu);


  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-15 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-12 23:18 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/7] RCU fixes for 3.11 Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/7] rcu: Convert rcutree.c printk calls Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/7] rcu: Convert rcutree_plugin.h " Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/7] rcu: Kick adaptive-ticks CPUs that are holding up RCU grace periods Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-13 14:06     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-04-13 15:19       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/7] rcu: Don't allocate bootmem from rcu_init() Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/7] rcu: Remove "Experimental" flags Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/7] rcu: Drive quiescent-state-forcing delay from HZ Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-12 23:54     ` Josh Triplett
2013-04-13  6:38       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-13 18:18         ` Josh Triplett
2013-04-13 19:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-13 19:53             ` Josh Triplett
2013-04-13 22:09               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-14  6:10                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-14 12:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-14 14:12                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-14 14:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-14 15:47                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-15  8:56                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-15  9:02                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-15 17:31                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-16  9:45                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-16 13:22                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-21  9:45                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-21 16:54                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-15 16:37                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-16  9:37                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-05-16 13:13                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-15  9:20                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-05-15 15:44                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-05-28 10:07                         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-05-29  1:29                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-15  2:03         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-15 17:26           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-04-12 23:19   ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 7/7] rcu: Merge adjacent identical ifdefs Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-13  0:01 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/7] RCU fixes for 3.11 Josh Triplett

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