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From: Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
To: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	wei.liu2@citrix.com,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [Hackathon minutes] PV network improvements
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 19:33:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130520183347.GI32007@zion.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLBxZZVfrjsQ+f+agTgsGxmnd9pKX1LW9z4A1vngv0V9Wb+sw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 03:49:32PM +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
[...]
> > J) Map the whole physical memory of the machine in dom0
> > If mapping/unmapping or copying slows us down, could we just keep the
> > whole physical memory of the machine mapped in dom0 (with corresponding
> > IOMMU entries)?
> > At that point the frontend could just pass mfn numbers to the backend,
> > and the backend would already have them mapped.
> > >From a security perspective it doesn't change anything when running
> > the backend in dom0, because dom0 is already capable of mapping random
> > pages of any guests. QEMU instances do that all the time.
> > But it would take away one of the benefits of deploying driver domains:
> > we wouldn't be able to run the backends at a lower privilege level.
> > However it might still be worth considering as an option? The backend is
> > still trusted and protected from the frontend, but the frontend wouldn't
> > be protected from the backend.
> 
> What's missing from this was my side of the discussion:
> 
> I was saying that if TLB flushes from grant-unmap is indeed the
> problem, then maybe we could have the *front-end* in charge of
> requesting a TLB flush for its pages.  The strict TLB flushing is to
> protect a frontend from rogue back-ends from reading sensitive data;
> if the front-end were willing to just not use the pages for a short
> amount of time, and issue a flush say every second or so, that would
> reduce the TLB flushes greatly while maintaining the safety advantages
> of driver domains.
> 

I'm not sure I get what you mean here. Are you saying DomU flushes
Dom0's TLB entries?


Wei.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-20 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-20 14:08 [Hackathon minutes] PV network improvements Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-20 14:49 ` George Dunlap
2013-05-20 18:33   ` Wei Liu [this message]
2013-05-21  8:22     ` Ian Campbell
2013-05-21  8:31       ` George Dunlap
2013-05-20 18:31 ` Wei Liu
2013-05-21  8:31   ` Ian Campbell
2013-05-21  9:26   ` Tim Deegan
2013-05-21  9:39     ` Wei Liu
2013-05-21 10:11       ` Tim Deegan
2013-05-21 10:01     ` George Dunlap
2013-05-21 10:06       ` Wei Liu
2013-05-21 10:51     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-21 12:52       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-21 13:32         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-21 13:42       ` Tim Deegan
2013-05-21 16:58         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-05-22  9:52           ` Tim Deegan
2013-05-22  9:55           ` Ian Campbell
2013-05-20 19:36 ` annie li

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