From: Russell King <rmk-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Jean-Francois Moine' <moinejf-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>,
'Daniel Drake' <dsd-2X9k7bc8m7Mdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
Inki Dae <inki.dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
'Sebastian Hesselbarth'
<sebastian.hesselbarth-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Best practice device tree design for display subsystems/DRM
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:40:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130704084052.GP13924@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130704083307.GH10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 10:33:07AM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:52:49AM +0100, Russell King wrote:
> > > > Sorry but I'd like to say that this cannot be used commonly. Shouldn't you
> > > > really consider Linux framebuffer or other subsystems? The above dtsi file
> > > > is specific to DRM subsystem. And I think the dtsi file has no any
> > > > dependency on certain subsystem so board dtsi file should be considered for
> > > > all device drivers based on other subsystems: i.e., Linux framebuffer, DRM,
> > > > and so no. So I *strongly* object to it. All we have to do is to keep the
> > > > dtsi file as is, and to find other better way that can be used commonly in
> > > > DRM.
> > >
> > > +1 for not encoding the projected usecase of the graphics subsystem into
> > > the devicetree. Whether the two LCD controllers shall be used together
> > > or separately should not affect the devicetree. devicetree is about
> > > hardware description, not configuration.
> >
> > And if we listen to that argument, then this problem is basically
> > impossible to solve sanely.
> >
> > Are we really saying that we have no acceptable way to represent
> > componentized devices in DT? If that's true, then DT fails to represent
> > quite a lot of ARM hardware, and frankly we shouldn't be using it. I
> > can't believe that's true though.
> >
> > The problem is that even with an ASoC like approach, that doesn't work
> > here because there's no way to know how many "components" to expect.
> > That's what the "supernode" is doing - telling us what components group
> > together to form a device.
>
> A componentized device never completes and it doesn't have to. A
> componentized device can start once there is a path from an input
> (crtc, i2s unit) to an output (connector, speaker).
Wrong. Please read the example with the diagrams I gave. Consider
what happens if you have two display devices connected to a single
output, one which fixes the allowable mode and one which _can_
reformat the selected mode.
If you go down that path, you risk driving the LCD panel with
inappropriate timings which may damage it.
--
Russell King
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-04 8:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-02 17:43 Best practice device tree design for display subsystems/DRM Daniel Drake
2013-07-02 18:42 ` Jean-Francois Moine
2013-07-02 19:19 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130702191923.GD13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 19:57 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D330AC.5060903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 20:25 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130702202548.GE13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 21:50 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-02 22:02 ` Dave Airlie
[not found] ` <CAPM=9ty8W7wEewLpcKjNV-RXzVnReKVrPu_MGN80=Y-xPr-f+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 22:14 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130702221445.GF13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 7:33 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-03 1:46 ` Stéphane Marchesin
[not found] ` <CACP_E++-L_Ntv=ZpkrSjB4y4GRc=WNDdXLeQAxb5NWniD3Frfg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 2:56 ` Rob Clark
2013-07-03 6:42 ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03 12:31 ` Lucas Stach
2013-07-03 6:55 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130703065559.GJ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 8:20 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-05 8:37 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <CACxGe6uTv2yaTH-_JLa=vtgmXwq=++wz3=eDpkRr2GVbKaME1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 8:50 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130705085020.GV13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 9:02 ` Grant Likely
2013-07-02 21:04 ` Daniel Drake
[not found] ` <CAMLZHHTbkfxmzrSrAU586Ywxptk=4Njzb0_puWxhfBcmBB0BWQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 21:41 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D348F5.2080205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 8:57 ` Inki Dae
[not found] ` <00ae01ce77cb$524d57f0$f6e807d0$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 9:02 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130703090242.GM516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 9:08 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D3EA0E.2090008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 9:48 ` Inki Dae
[not found] ` <00ba01ce77d2$80285f10$80791d30$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 9:53 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130703095338.GH13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 10:52 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D40275.4020806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:32 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130703113224.GI13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 17:38 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-03 11:43 ` Inki Dae
[not found] ` <00cc01ce77e2$844b3a80$8ce1af80$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:51 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D4105C.3070503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 7:05 ` Inki Dae
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2013-07-04 7:25 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D5234C.3070000-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 8:15 ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03 12:04 ` Russell King
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2013-07-04 2:03 ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03 9:52 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130703095248.GG13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:12 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-03 11:29 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-04 8:33 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704083307.GH10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 8:40 ` Russell King [this message]
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2013-07-04 8:58 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704085817.GZ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:11 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130704091131.GR13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:30 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704093047.GJ10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:44 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D54409.6020608-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 10:09 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704100932.GL10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 10:58 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-05 10:07 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130705100750.GJ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 10:41 ` Grant Likely
2013-07-04 8:45 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D53634.5040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 8:53 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704085313.GY516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:10 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D53C0B.6060106-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:23 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20130704092305.GI10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:40 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D54301.8080902-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:57 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-04 9:08 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130704090829.GQ13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 9:51 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-05 8:43 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <CACxGe6uRJ9B9qnPT_KLNphg-n2WeA9UFO-rvCdKJHijGqJ8SOg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 9:34 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <51D69324.90301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 9:51 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <CACxGe6v_oQptLZzgsT_nf-K4680mP1f8sHJHN8AekeEy0_T18w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 11:16 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-04 15:11 ` Rob Clark
[not found] ` <CAF6AEGuzwNJtuAWS29YvdZ1fiMGk5cuv24n4wxkKsDPT8FrDBw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 21:28 ` Dave Airlie
2013-07-05 0:50 ` Alex Deucher
[not found] ` <CAMLZHHREVEdRuHaD0imRu4pUv15ZyWYF2J9WCBEw-frxBry-Lw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 18:43 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20130702184305.GB13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 18:54 ` Daniel Drake
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2013-07-02 19:08 ` Russell King
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2013-07-03 8:06 ` Inki Dae
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