From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 14/14] i386: ACPI table generation code from seabios
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:14:35 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130725151435.GE3758@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51F13D0C.20602@redhat.com>
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:58:20PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> On 07/25/13 15:23, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 03:06:25PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>> As table content is likely to change over time,
> >>> the following measures are taken to simplify
> >>> cross-version migration:
> >>> - All tables besides the RSDP are packed in a single FW CFG entry.
> >>> This entry size is currently 23K. We round it up to 64K
> >>> to avoid too much churn there.
> >>
> >> Does it need to be that way? I'd prefer to have one fw_cfg entry per table.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Gerd
> >>
> >
> > It's better I think. The advantages are:
> > - when we add more tables we don't break cross-version
> > migration compatibility
>
> New tables are a guest-visible change, so I think we have to turn them
> off for old machine types via compat properties anyway. This will also
> solve the migration issue.
ACPI is really part of bios.
We *do* make guest visible changes to bios rom, so
I'm not so sure we should take a hard-line stance on this.
> > - we have limited number of files, this way we won't
> > run out of them
>
> Anything which prevents us from raising that number?
There's a static array so we can extend it a bit,
but making it large and dynamic is hard.
I *really* want to keep the number of moving parts to
minimum, this is a huge patchset as it is.
So please, let's keep it simple, and have everything in one file,
and we can move things around later any number of times
if/when the need arises.
> > what are advantages of file per table?
>
> You can look at the tables without doing a full linker pass first, so
> the firmware can easily initialize the hardware according to what it
> finds in specific acpi tables. Check FADT for pm_base. Check MCFG for
> mmconf xbar location.
>
> cheers,
> Gerd
That's something I think that it's best for firmware to avoid.
Much better to load tables in memory and use standard ACPI
methods to find specific tables.
It's a general thing: paravirtualization is often easier
but let's use standard interfaces where possible.
Sticking everything in one file will serve to keep firmware
honest and not let it cut corners.
--
MST
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-24 16:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/14] qemu: generate acpi tables for the guest Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 01/14] hw/i386/pc.c: move IO_APIC_DEFAULT_ADDRESS to include/hw/i386/apic.h Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:05 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-28 0:44 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 02/14] i386: add ACPI table files from seabios Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 03/14] acpi: add rules to compile ASL source Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:09 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 04/14] acpi: pre-compiled ASL files Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/14] loader: use file path size from fw_cfg.h Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 23:42 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-25 12:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 06/14] i386: add bios linker/loader Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:11 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-26 9:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-28 8:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 07/14] loader: support for unmapped ROM blobs Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 12:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:43 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 13:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 19:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 08/14] loader: allow adding ROMs in done callbacks Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:15 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 09/14] i386: define pc guest info Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:31 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-28 0:41 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 7:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 10/14] ich9: APIs for " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:33 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-28 0:37 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 7:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 11/14] piix: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-28 0:12 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 7:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-28 9:38 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 10:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-28 10:31 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 11:08 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-28 12:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 12/14] pvpanic: add API to access io port Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 10:29 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 10:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 10:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 11:05 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 11:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:03 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 12:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-27 23:58 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 13/14] hpet: add API to find it Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 12:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-27 23:38 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-24 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 14/14] i386: ACPI table generation code from seabios Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 13:06 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 13:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 14:58 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-25 15:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-07-26 9:06 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-26 15:30 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-28 7:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 15:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/14] qemu: generate acpi tables for the guest Andreas Färber
2013-07-25 16:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-26 12:19 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-27 23:22 ` Andreas Färber
2013-09-11 9:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-25 17:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-07-26 12:25 ` Andreas Färber
2013-07-29 15:27 ` Anthony Liguori
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