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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Restrict kernel spawning of threads to a specified set of cpus.
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:11:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130912151102.GB23839@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0000014112a921ae-51d171bf-e8d4-4569-bd20-94dabda2d5ba-000000@email.amazonses.com>

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 02:52:56PM +0000, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2013, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> 
> > > > Ok but you can change the affinity of a kthread from userspace, as
> > > > long as you define a cpu set that is among that kthread's cpus allowed.
> > >
> > > Ok but at that point kthread has already spawned a lot of kernel threads.
> > >
> > > The same is true for init and kmod.
> > >
> >
> > Ok but then we just need to set the affinity of all these kthreads.
> > A simple lookup on /proc/[0-9]+/ should do the trick.
> 
> Yea but the kernel option makes it easy. No extras needed. Kernel brings
> it up user space cleanly configured and ready to go.

Ok but really that's just two lines of bash. I really wish we don't complicate
core kernel code for that.

I think we all agree that the big issue here is that CPU isolation requires to set up
a fragmented set of features and it's not at all obvious to do it correctly: full dynticks,
rcu nocbs, kthreads affinity, timer_list, hrtimers, workqueues, IPIs, etc...

So IMHO what is missing is a reliable userspace tool that can handle all that: do
the checks on pre-requirements, handle the kthreads and even user task affinity, tweak
some sysctl stuffs to turn off features that generate noise, etc...

> This also allows us to cleanup kernel uses of cpumasks in such a way that
> proper thread placement for various other uses (reclaim f.e. kswpad) is
> possible.

Same here, a central tool should be able to solve that.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-12 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 20:07 [RFC] Restrict kernel spawning of threads to a specified set of cpus Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10  6:05 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  6:47   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10  6:59     ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  7:26       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10  7:56         ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  8:53           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10 21:10           ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11  3:20             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-11 14:21               ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 14:53                 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-11 16:56                   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 21:36                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12  3:30                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10 21:08   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10  7:39 ` Rob Landley
2013-09-10 21:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 22:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:10   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 14:16     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:22       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 14:31         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 15:11             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2013-09-12 15:32               ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 18:45                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 15:39               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-12 18:35                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 18:51                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-15 13:53                   ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1309121030390.21473@gentwo.org>
2013-09-12 15:42                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 18:30                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-13  9:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-13 13:54                       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-13 14:40                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-13 15:15                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1309131010480.26487@gentwo.org>
2013-09-13 15:40                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-16  6:02                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-13 13:45                     ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-13 14:04                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-13 14:25                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-15 13:47       ` Gilad Ben-Yossef

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