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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] random: don't feed stack data into pool when interrupt regs NULL
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:44:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131001124424.GA2097@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F31D1F249@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0000, Luck, Tony wrote:
> > In this case fast_mix would use two uninitialized ints from the stack
> > and mix it into the pool.
> 
> Is the concern here is that an attacker might know (or be able to control) what is on
> the stack - and so get knowledge of what is being mixed into the pool?

Yes, this is a bogus complaint.

> > In this case set the input to 0.
> 
> And the fix is to guarantee that everyone knows what is being mixed in? (!)
> 
> Wouldn't it be better to adjust the "nbytes" parameter to
> 
> 	fast_mix(..., ..., sizeof (input));
> 
> to only mix in the part of input[] that we successfully initialized?

The changes queued for the next merge window in the random tree solve
this problem slightly differently:

	...
	input[0] = cycles ^ j_high ^ irq;
	input[1] = now ^ c_high;
	ip = regs ? instruction_pointer(regs) : _RET_IP_;
	input[2] = ip;
	input[3] = ip >> 32;

	fast_mix(fast_pool, input);
	...

(Note the lack of nbytes parameter in fast_mix --- there are some
optimizations so that we mix in the changes by 32-bit words, instead
of bytes, and the number of 32-bit words is fixed to 4, since it's the
only way fast_mix is called).

_RET_IP_ isn't that much better than 0, but it's at least kernel
specific, and I figured it was better to shut up bogus warnings, as
opposed to trying to depend on stack garbage (which would likely be
kernel specific anyway).

Cheers,

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-01 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-30 20:29 Various static checker fixes Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 01/11] random: don't feed stack data into pool when interrupt regs NULL Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:51   ` Luck, Tony
2013-10-01 12:44     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2014-04-04 16:54       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-07  4:01         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-07 19:30           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-07 23:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-09 18:14             ` rkuo
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 02/11] Disable initialized_var for clang Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 03/11] posix-timers: Initialize timer value to 0 for invalid timers Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 04/11] block: Return error code of elevator init function Andi Kleen
2013-10-01 12:25   ` Jeff Moyer
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 05/11] seq_file: Handle ->next error in seq_read Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysctl: remove unnecessary variable initialization Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 07/11] igb: Avoid uninitialized advertised variable in eee_set_cur Andi Kleen
2013-10-01 15:00   ` Wyborny, Carolyn
2013-10-01 23:10   ` Jeff Kirsher
2013-10-02 20:33   ` David Miller
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 08/11] ext4: Fix end of group handling in ext4_mb_init_cache Andi Kleen
2013-10-01 12:45   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-10-01 14:20     ` Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 09/11] epoll: Remove unnecessary error path Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:59   ` Eric Wong
2013-09-30 21:01     ` Andi Kleen
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 10/11] tcp: Always set options to 0 before calling tcp_established_options Andi Kleen
2013-10-02 20:33   ` David Miller
2013-09-30 20:29 ` [PATCH 11/11] perf: Avoid uninitialized sample type reference in __perf_event__output_id_sample Andi Kleen
2013-10-02  8:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 17:25     ` Andi Kleen
2013-10-02 17:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-03  6:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 18:16           ` Andi Kleen
2013-10-04  6:24             ` Ingo Molnar

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