From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Hong zhi guo <honkiko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>,
cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Hong Zhiguo <zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131016162205.GF17611@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:53:44AM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > - First of all, if you think that a group is entitiled for tokens even
> > when it is not doing IO, then why are you truncating the tokens after
> > dispatch of a BIO.
> >
> > - Second in general it does not seem right that a group is entitiled to
> > tokens even when no IO is happening or group is not backlogged. That
> > would mean a group will not do IO for 10 hours and then be entitiled
> > to those tokens suddenly after 10 hours with a huge burst.
> >
> > So I think you also agree that a group should not be entitiled to
> > tokens when group is not backlogged and that's why you seem to be
> > truncating extra tokens after dispatch of a BIO. If that's the case,
> > then even for first BIO, ideally a group should not be given tokens
> > for idle time.
>
> Without going into details, having token reserve is an important part
> of token based implementation. The large the reserve could be
> debatable but that's what provides "smoothing" of allocation. e.g. if
> you trim bucket as soon as the queue becomes empty, a queue with
> sequential access pattern can easily get disadvantaged. Another way
> to look at it is to consider as though the IO has been issued some
> time before than actual and waited for the token - it is the same to
> external observers.
>
> So, while how large the reserve should be is definitely debatable,
> bucket scheduling *needs* idle reserve.
Hi Tejun,
Agreed. We need some kind of smoothing and allow burst up to a limit. I
am only questioning *unlimited* tokens for the first bio in a group which
has been idle for a long time.
Thanks
Vivek
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Hong zhi guo <honkiko@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Hong Zhiguo <zhiguohong@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131016162205.GF17611@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131016155344.GA10012@htj.dyndns.org>
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:53:44AM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > - First of all, if you think that a group is entitiled for tokens even
> > when it is not doing IO, then why are you truncating the tokens after
> > dispatch of a BIO.
> >
> > - Second in general it does not seem right that a group is entitiled to
> > tokens even when no IO is happening or group is not backlogged. That
> > would mean a group will not do IO for 10 hours and then be entitiled
> > to those tokens suddenly after 10 hours with a huge burst.
> >
> > So I think you also agree that a group should not be entitiled to
> > tokens when group is not backlogged and that's why you seem to be
> > truncating extra tokens after dispatch of a BIO. If that's the case,
> > then even for first BIO, ideally a group should not be given tokens
> > for idle time.
>
> Without going into details, having token reserve is an important part
> of token based implementation. The large the reserve could be
> debatable but that's what provides "smoothing" of allocation. e.g. if
> you trim bucket as soon as the queue becomes empty, a queue with
> sequential access pattern can easily get disadvantaged. Another way
> to look at it is to consider as though the IO has been issued some
> time before than actual and waited for the token - it is the same to
> external observers.
>
> So, while how large the reserve should be is definitely debatable,
> bucket scheduling *needs* idle reserve.
Hi Tejun,
Agreed. We need some kind of smoothing and allow burst up to a limit. I
am only questioning *unlimited* tokens for the first bio in a group which
has been idle for a long time.
Thanks
Vivek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-16 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-12 10:46 [PATCH] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1381574794-7639-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-13 12:59 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-14 9:09 ` [PATCH v2] " Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1381741757-20888-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:36 ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-14 13:36 ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-14 13:47 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <20131014133620.GF4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:53 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-14 13:53 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <CAA7+ByWPM2Pizm+dP1AxPM7Ut-w=AtRfD2GkCK-0OVh+C2Twkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:59 ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-14 13:59 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20131014135929.GH4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 12:35 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-15 12:35 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-15 16:19 ` Jens Axboe
2013-10-15 13:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-15 13:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-15 17:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-15 17:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 6:09 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 14:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 15:47 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 15:53 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-16 16:22 ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2013-10-16 16:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 16:22 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-17 12:17 ` [PATCH v3] " Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1382012272-26170-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-18 15:55 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-18 15:55 ` Vivek Goyal
[not found] ` <20131018155532.GD2277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 12:08 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-20 12:08 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2014-04-10 10:07 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <CAA7+ByVJWjfs5HiMsnuum75egghrNQHt2KNNPTWeVa0-FWccaQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-10 13:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-10 13:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] blk-throttle: trim tokens generated for an idle tree Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1382271072-15664-3-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-22 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal
[not found] ` <20131022210232.GB2884-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 3:30 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-23 3:30 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-28 5:08 ` Hong zhi guo
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20131016162205.GF17611@redhat.com \
--to=vgoyal-h+wxahxf7alqt0dzr+alfa@public.gmane.org \
--cc=axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org \
--cc=cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=honkiko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org \
--cc=linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
--cc=zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.