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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Brad Spengler <spender@grsecurity.net>,
	Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Lxc development list <lxc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: CLONE_PARENT after setns(CLONE_NEWPID)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:12:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131106231216.GA16974@ac100> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vc05jgak.fsf@tw-ebiederman.twitter.com>

Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > Hi Serge,
> >
> > On 11/06, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Oleg,
> >>
> >> commit 40a0d32d1eaffe6aac7324ca92604b6b3977eb0e :
> >> "fork: unify and tighten up CLONE_NEWUSER/CLONE_NEWPID checks"
> >> breaks lxc-attach in 3.12.  That code forks a child which does
> >> setns() and then does a clone(CLONE_PARENT).  That way the
> >> grandchild can be in the right namespaces (which the child was
> >> not) and be a child of the original task, which is the monitor.
> 
> Serge that is a clever trick to get around the limitation that we can
> not change the pid namespace of our current process.  Given the
> challenging relaying of signals etc I can see why you would use this.
> 
> At the same time it makes me a little sad to see new users of
> CLONE_PARENT.  With CLONE_THREAD in existence the original reasons for
> CLONE_PARENT are gone now.
> 
> Having used bash as an init process I know it can handle unexpeted
> children.  However using CLONE_PARENT in this way still seems a little
> dodgy.  Or am I misunderstanding why you are using CLONE_PARENT?

FWIW Christian (cc:d from the start) was the author of that code, so he
can correct me if i mis-speak, but IIUC the design is:

1. pid X is the first process running lxc-attach.  It will be a monitor
for the process which is entered into the container

2. pid X forks pid Y, which does setns().  Now if it is setns()ing into
a pidns, it won't itself be in the new pidns, which is not satisfactory.
So

3. pid Y clones pid Z with CLONE_PARENT.  Y exists.  Z continues, as a
full member of the container, and a child of the monitor process.

So yes, as you said it's exactly to work around the fact that pid Y
can't change its own pidns.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-06 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-06 18:02 CLONE_PARENT after setns(CLONE_NEWPID) Serge Hallyn
2013-11-06 19:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-06 19:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-11-06 20:06     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-11-06 20:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-11-06 22:50   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-06 22:56     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-11-06 23:17       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-11-06 23:12     ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2013-11-06 23:31     ` Christian Seiler
2013-11-08 17:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-01-15 21:11     ` Christian Seiler
2014-01-16  4:46       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-11-06 22:53   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-11-06 22:53     ` Eric W. Biederman

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