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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jolsa@redhat.com,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] perf record: mmap output file - v5
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:14:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131119161402.GA20224@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <528B8D44.1050601@gmail.com>


* David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Well, we could exclude the profiling task itself from profiling 
> > events (just like ftrace and core bits of perf does it out of 
> > necessity), but I intentionally wanted to avoid that, to make sure 
> > we are honest and to make sure people don't tolerate profiling 
> > overhead that disturbs other workloads.
> 
> Samples generated by perf itself need to be observable -- e.g. 
> process scheduling I want to see the time consumed by the data 
> collector itself and there are times when 'perf trace -- perf ...' 
> is useful.

Absolutely agreed - a measurement instrument affects the measurement, 
and we must not try to hide that.

Still we can try to make the disturbance smaller and more managable.

For example if I have enough RAM it should be possible to run perf 
record with a 1 GB ring-buffer, and in that case as long as the 
perf.data is smaller than 1 GB there should be no writeout or any 
other IO activity until the measurement ends.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-19 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-12 14:46 [PATCH 0/5] perf record: mmap output file - v5 David Ahern
2013-11-12 14:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] perf record: Fix segfault with --no-mmap-pages David Ahern
2013-11-12 21:57   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for David Ahern
2013-11-12 14:46 ` [PATCH 2/5] perf tool: Round mmap pages to power 2 - v2 David Ahern
2013-11-12 21:57   ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf evlist: " tip-bot for David Ahern
2013-11-12 14:46 ` [PATCH 3/5] perf tool: Refactor mmap_pages parsing David Ahern
2013-11-12 21:57   ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf evlist: " tip-bot for David Ahern
2013-11-12 14:46 ` [PATCH 4/5] perf record: mmap output file - v5 David Ahern
2013-11-12 14:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-12 15:07     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2013-11-12 15:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-12 15:36         ` David Ahern
2013-11-12 21:11           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-13 11:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-13 11:50               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-13 12:16                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-13 14:29                 ` David Ahern
2013-11-15 16:41               ` David Ahern
2013-11-18  9:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-18  9:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-19  0:24                     ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  0:34                       ` David Ahern
2013-11-19  1:48                         ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  2:02                         ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  2:13                         ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  2:17                           ` David Ahern
2013-11-19  2:30                             ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  2:33                               ` David Ahern
2013-11-19  2:36                                 ` Namhyung Kim
2013-11-19  6:58                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-19 11:48                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-19 11:49                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-19 13:13                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-19 13:45                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-19 15:31                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-19 16:09                                             ` David Ahern
2013-11-19 16:14                                               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-11-19 12:08                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-19  6:54                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-12 14:46 ` [PATCH 5/5] perf record: Handle out of space failures writing data with mmap David Ahern
2013-11-12 21:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-11-13 14:33     ` David Ahern

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