From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
"Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>,
Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:24:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131126162445.GB24806@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126161427.GB20352@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:14:27PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:05:37PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 02:56:10PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 01:47:03PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > > Il 26/11/2013 13:40, Zhanghaoyu (A) ha scritto:
> > > > > When guest set irq smp_affinity, VMEXIT occurs, then the vcpu thread will IOCTL return to QEMU from hypervisor, then vcpu thread ask the hypervisor to update the irq routing table,
> > > > > in kvm_set_irq_routing, synchronize_rcu is called, current vcpu thread is blocked for so much time to wait RCU grace period, and during this period, this vcpu cannot provide service to VM,
> > > > > so those interrupts delivered to this vcpu cannot be handled in time, and the apps running on this vcpu cannot be serviced too.
> > > > > It's unacceptable in some real-time scenario, e.g. telecom.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I want to create a single workqueue for each VM, to asynchronously performing the RCU synchronization for irq routing table,
> > > > > and let the vcpu thread return and VMENTRY to service VM immediately, no more need to blocked to wait RCU grace period.
> > > > > And, I have implemented a raw patch, took a test in our telecom environment, above problem disappeared.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think a workqueue is even needed. You just need to use call_rcu
> > > > to free "old" after releasing kvm->irq_lock.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > It should be rate limited somehow. Since it guest triggarable guest may cause
> > > host to allocate a lot of memory this way.
> >
> > The checks in __call_rcu(), should handle this I think. These keep a per-CPU
> > counter, which can be adjusted via rcutree.blimit, which defaults
> > to taking evasive action if more than 10K callbacks are waiting on a
> > given CPU.
> >
> >
> Documentation/RCU/checklist.txt has:
>
> An especially important property of the synchronize_rcu()
> primitive is that it automatically self-limits: if grace periods
> are delayed for whatever reason, then the synchronize_rcu()
> primitive will correspondingly delay updates. In contrast,
> code using call_rcu() should explicitly limit update rate in
> cases where grace periods are delayed, as failing to do so can
> result in excessive realtime latencies or even OOM conditions.
I just asked Paul what this means.
> --
> Gleb.
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>,
"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:24:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131126162445.GB24806@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131126161427.GB20352@redhat.com>
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:14:27PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 06:05:37PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 02:56:10PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 01:47:03PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > > Il 26/11/2013 13:40, Zhanghaoyu (A) ha scritto:
> > > > > When guest set irq smp_affinity, VMEXIT occurs, then the vcpu thread will IOCTL return to QEMU from hypervisor, then vcpu thread ask the hypervisor to update the irq routing table,
> > > > > in kvm_set_irq_routing, synchronize_rcu is called, current vcpu thread is blocked for so much time to wait RCU grace period, and during this period, this vcpu cannot provide service to VM,
> > > > > so those interrupts delivered to this vcpu cannot be handled in time, and the apps running on this vcpu cannot be serviced too.
> > > > > It's unacceptable in some real-time scenario, e.g. telecom.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I want to create a single workqueue for each VM, to asynchronously performing the RCU synchronization for irq routing table,
> > > > > and let the vcpu thread return and VMENTRY to service VM immediately, no more need to blocked to wait RCU grace period.
> > > > > And, I have implemented a raw patch, took a test in our telecom environment, above problem disappeared.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think a workqueue is even needed. You just need to use call_rcu
> > > > to free "old" after releasing kvm->irq_lock.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > It should be rate limited somehow. Since it guest triggarable guest may cause
> > > host to allocate a lot of memory this way.
> >
> > The checks in __call_rcu(), should handle this I think. These keep a per-CPU
> > counter, which can be adjusted via rcutree.blimit, which defaults
> > to taking evasive action if more than 10K callbacks are waiting on a
> > given CPU.
> >
> >
> Documentation/RCU/checklist.txt has:
>
> An especially important property of the synchronize_rcu()
> primitive is that it automatically self-limits: if grace periods
> are delayed for whatever reason, then the synchronize_rcu()
> primitive will correspondingly delay updates. In contrast,
> code using call_rcu() should explicitly limit update rate in
> cases where grace periods are delayed, as failing to do so can
> result in excessive realtime latencies or even OOM conditions.
I just asked Paul what this means.
> --
> Gleb.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-26 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-26 12:40 [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:56 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 13:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 3:46 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 3:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:14 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-30 2:46 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-30 2:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 13:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:54 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:06 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:06 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:21 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:21 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:42 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:42 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:29 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:29 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 6:27 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 6:27 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 8:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 9:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:47 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:47 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:09 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:16 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:11 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:18 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:30 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:24 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:24 ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 9:14 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 9:14 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28 9:20 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 9:20 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
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