From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755541Ab3LJRhr (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:37:47 -0500 Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.151]:42528 "EHLO e33.co.us.ibm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752892Ab3LJRhq (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:37:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:37:38 -0800 From: "Paul E. McKenney" To: Ingo Molnar Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, sbw@mit.edu, Oleg Nesterov , Jonathan Corbet , Rusty Russell Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/locking 4/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE() Message-ID: <20131210173738.GV4208@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com References: <20131204224628.GA30159@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1386197219-31964-1-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1386197219-31964-4-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20131205095042.GB16749@gmail.com> <20131205180547.GU15492@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20131205224710.GA21140@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20131210151050.GC873@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131210151050.GC873@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 13121017-0928-0000-0000-0000044AC85A Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 04:10:50PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 10:05:47AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 10:50:42AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > > > > > * Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > + (*) The compiler is within its rights to reload a variable, for example, > > > > > + in cases where high register pressure prevents the compiler from > > > > > + keeping all data of interest in registers. The compiler might > > > > > + therefore optimize the variable tmp out of our previous example: > > > > > + > > > > > + while (tmp = a) > > > > > + do_something_with(tmp); > > > > > + > > > > > + This could result in the following code, which is perfectly safe in > > > > > + single-threaded code, but can be fatal in concurrent code: > > > > > + > > > > > + while (a) > > > > > + do_something_with(a); > > > > > + > > > > > + For example, the optimized version of this code could result in > > > > > + passing a zero to do_something_with() in the case where the variable > > > > > + a was modified by some other CPU between the "while" statement and > > > > > + the call to do_something_with(). > > > > > > > > Nit: I guess references to variable names such as 'a' should be quoted > > > > (same for 'tmp', 'b', etc): > > > > > > > > For example, the optimized version of this code could result in > > > > passing a zero to do_something_with() in the case where the variable > > > > 'a' was modified by some other CPU between the "while" statement and > > > > the call to do_something_with(). > > > > > > > > which makes reading it less ambiguous and more fluid IMO. This > > > > observation applies to the whole document as 'a' is used in many > > > > places. > > > > > > Good point, fixed. > > > > Which reminds me -- the thing that makes me most nervous about > > prohibiting speculative stores is the bit about having to anticipate > > all compiler optimizations that might get rid of the needed > > conditionals. > > > > Thoughts? > > As long as current compiler versions behave I don't the potential of > future problems is a problem that can (or should) be solved via > documentation - there will always be a colorful tension between > specification and reality, both at the hardware, the code and the > compiler level ;-) There certainly has been in the past. ;-) > It doesn't hurt to outline our expectations in any case, agreed? Fair enough, I will leave it as is. Thanx, Paul