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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 5/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Downgrade UNLOCK+LOCK
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:49:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131210184920.GA4208@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131210174345.GF13532@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 06:43:45PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 09:12:47AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Good point -- the UNLOCK and LOCK are guaranteed to be ordered only
> > if they both operate on the same lock variable.  OK, I will make the
> > example use different lock variables and show the different outcomes.
> > How about the following?
> > 
> > 	If it is necessary for an UNLOCK-LOCK pair to
> > 	produce a full barrier, the LOCK can be followed by an
> > 	smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() invocation.  This will produce a
> > 	full barrier if either (a) the UNLOCK and the LOCK are executed
> > 	by the same CPU or task, or (b) the UNLOCK and LOCK act on the
> > 	same lock variable.  
> 
> So you're still requiring smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() even if they're on
> the same variable?

Yep!

> > The smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() primitive is
> > 	free on many architectures.  Without smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(),
> > 	the UNLOCK and LOCK can cross:
> 
> Contradicted below :-)

Good eyes!  I changed this to:

	The smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() primitive is free on many
	architectures.	Without smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), the critical
	sections corresponding to the UNLOCK and the LOCK can cross:

Is that better?

> > 		*A = a;
> > 		UNLOCK M
> > 		LOCK N
> > 		*B = b;
> > 
> > 	could occur as:
> > 
> > 		LOCK N, STORE *B, STORE *A, UNLOCK M
> > 
> > 	With smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), they cannot, so that:
> > 
> > 		*A = a;
> > 		UNLOCK M
> > 		LOCK N
> > 		smp_mb__after_unlock_lock();
> > 		*B = b;
> > 
> > 	will always occur as either of the following:
> > 
> > 		STORE *A, UNLOCK, LOCK, STORE *B
> > 		STORE *A, LOCK, UNLOCK, STORE *B
> 
> See, UNLOCK and LOCK can still cross :-)

Indeed they can!  ;-)

> > 	If the UNLOCK and LOCK were instead both operating on the same
> > 	lock variable, only the first of these two alternatives can occur.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> Sorry for being a pedant. :-)

;-) ;-) ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-10 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-10  1:27 [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking] Memory-barrier documentation updates + smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:27 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 1/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:27   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 2/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add long atomic examples " Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:27   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 3/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Prohibit speculative writes Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:28   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 4/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:28   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 5/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Downgrade UNLOCK+LOCK Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:32     ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10  5:19       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 13:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:43           ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 18:05             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:49           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 18:49           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-12-10 16:44     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 17:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:35         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10  1:28   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 6/7] locking: Add an smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() for UNLOCK+LOCK barrier Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10  1:34     ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10  5:26       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 18:53         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:17       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:45       ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 20:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:04     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 17:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10  1:28   ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 7/7] rcu: Apply smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() to preserve grace periods Paul E. McKenney

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