From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
"markgross@thegnar.org" <markgross@thegnar.org>,
"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:10:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140120171010.GB29971@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140120164926.GB23051@amd.pavel.ucw.cz>
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 04:49:26PM +0000, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > To save energy, the higher frequencies should be avoided and only used
> > when the application performance requirements can not be satisfied
> > otherwise (e.g. spread tasks across more cpus if possible).
>
> I argue this is untrue for any task where user waits for its
> completion with screen on. (And that's quite important subset).
>
> Lets take Nokia n900 as an example.
>
> (source http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption)
>
> Sleeping CPU: 2mA
> Screen on: 230mA
> CPU loaded: 250mA
>
> Now, lets believe your numbers and pretend system can operate at 33%
> of speed with 11% power consumption.
>
> Lets take task that takes 10 seconds on max frequency:
>
> ~ 10s * 470mA = 4700mAs
>
> You suggest running at 33% speed, instead; that means 30 seconds on
> low requency.
>
> CPU on low: 25mA (assumed).
>
> ~ 30s * 255mA = 7650mAs
>
> Hmm. So race to idle is good thing on Intel machines, and it is good
> thing on ARM design I have access to.
Race to idle doesn't mean that the screen goes off as well. Let's say
the screen stays on for 1 min and the CPU needs to be running for 10s
over this minute, in the first case you have:
10s & 250mA + 60s * 230mA = 16300mAs
in the second case you have:
30s * 25mA + 60s * 230mA = 14550mAs
That's a 1750mAs difference. There are of course other parts drawing
current but simple things like the above really make a difference in the
mobile space, both in terms of battery and thermal budget.
--
Catalin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-20 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-07 16:19 [0/11][REPOST] Energy-aware scheduling use-cases and scheduler issues Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [1/11] issue 1: Missing power topology information in scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [2/11] issue 2: Energy-awareness for heterogeneous systems Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [3/11] issue 3: No understanding of potential cpu capacity Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-13 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 10:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-14 16:39 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-14 16:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [4/11] issue 4: Tracking idle states Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [5/11] issue 5: Frequency and uarch invariant task load Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-08 12:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-16 11:16 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [6/11] issue 6: Poor and non-deterministic performance on heterogeneous systems Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [7/11] use-case 1: Webbrowsing on Android Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [8/11] use-case 2: Audio playback " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [9/11] use-case 3: Video " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [10/11] use-case 4: Game " Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-07 16:19 ` [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-20 16:32 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-21 12:14 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-01-21 12:31 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 16:49 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 17:10 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2014-01-20 17:17 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 17:47 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 19:15 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-21 11:19 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 17:54 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:16 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-20 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-20 18:25 ` Sebastian Reichel
2014-01-21 18:53 ` Kalle Jokiniemi
2014-01-20 18:12 ` Pavel Machek
2014-01-21 11:42 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-01-21 12:20 ` Pavel Machek
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-20 16:45 [0/11] Energy-aware scheduling use-cases and scheduler issues Morten Rasmussen
2013-12-20 16:45 ` [11/11] system 1: Saving energy using DVFS Morten Rasmussen
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