From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@au1.ibm.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>,
ian@bromium.com, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
sasha.levin@oracle.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: VIRTIO - compatibility with different virtualization solutions
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:12:47 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140225211247.GC5827@phenom.dumpdata.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vbw458jr.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:10:24AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> writes:
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Rusty Russell <rusty@au1.ibm.com> wrote:
> >> On the other hand, if we wanted a more Xen-like setup, it would looke
> >> like this:
> >>
> >> 1) Abstract away the "physical addresses" to "handles" in the standard,
> >> and allow some platform-specific mapping setup and teardown.
> >
> > At the risk of beating a dead horse, passing handles (grant
> > references) is going to be slow.
> ...
> > I really think the best paths forward for virtio on Xen are either (1)
> > reject the memory isolation thing and leave things as is or (2) assume
> > bounce buffering at the transport layer (by using the PCI DMA API).
>
> Xen can get memory isolation back by doing the copy in the hypervisor.
> I've always liked that approach because it doesn't alter the guest
> semantics, but it's very different from what Xen does now.
It could. But why do it - the backend can choose it as well to do it
and perhaps even do some translation of the payload as it sees fit.
Or it can map it - and if using DPDK for example - one has
memory pages shared between the domains all the time - where you
just need to map once.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-28 13:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-17 13:23 VIRTIO - compatibility with different virtualization solutions Daniel Kiper
2014-02-19 0:26 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <87vbwcaqxe.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-19 4:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2014-02-20 1:31 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <87ha7ubme0.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-20 12:28 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-20 20:28 ` Daniel Kiper
2014-02-21 2:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2014-02-21 10:05 ` Wei Liu
2014-02-21 15:01 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-25 0:33 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <87y51058vf.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-25 21:09 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-19 10:09 ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-20 7:48 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <8761oab4y7.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-20 20:37 ` Daniel Kiper
[not found] ` <20140220203704.GG3441@olila.local.net-space.pl>
2014-02-21 0:54 ` [virtio-dev] " Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <8761o99tft.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-21 3:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2014-02-25 0:40 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <87vbw458jr.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-02-25 21:12 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2014-02-26 9:38 ` Ian Campbell
2014-02-21 10:21 ` Wei Liu
2014-02-21 15:11 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-03-03 5:52 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <87ppm325i6.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2014-03-04 23:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-19 10:11 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-10 7:54 ` Is: Wrap-up Was: " Daniel Kiper
[not found] ` <20140310075423.GE31874@olila.local.net-space.pl>
2014-03-10 11:19 ` Fabio Fantoni
2014-03-11 14:29 ` Ian Campbell
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