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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
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	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Fyodorov <halcy@yandex.ru>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Daniel J Blueman <daniel@numascale.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutro>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/8] qspinlock, x86: Add x86 specific optimization for 2 contending tasks
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:29:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140228092945.GG27965@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <530FA32B.8010202@hp.com>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 03:42:19PM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
> >>+	old = xchg(&qlock->lock_wait, _QSPINLOCK_WAITING|_QSPINLOCK_LOCKED);
> >>+
> >>+	if (old == 0) {
> >>+		/*
> >>+		 * Got the lock, can clear the waiting bit now
> >>+		 */
> >>+		smp_u8_store_release(&qlock->wait, 0);
> >
> >So we just did an atomic op, and now you're trying to optimize this
> >write. Why do you need a whole byte for that?
> >
> >Surely a cmpxchg loop with the right atomic op can't be _that_ much
> >slower? Its far more readable and likely avoids that steal fail below as
> >well.
> 
> At low contention level, atomic operations that requires a lock prefix are
> the major contributor to the total execution times. I saw estimate online
> that the time to execute a lock prefix instruction can easily be 50X longer
> than a regular instruction that can be pipelined. That is why I try to do it
> with as few lock prefix instructions as possible. If I have to do an atomic
> cmpxchg, it probably won't be faster than the regular qspinlock slowpath.

At low contention the cmpxchg won't have to be retried (much) so using
it won't be a problem and you get to have arbitrary atomic ops.

> Given that speed at low contention level which is the common case is
> important to get this patch accepted, I have to do what I can to make it run
> as far as possible for this 2 contending task case.

What I'm saying is that you can do the whole thing with a single
cmpxchg. No extra ops needed. And at that point you don't need a whole
byte, you can use a single bit.

that removes the whole NR_CPUS dependent logic.

> >>+		/*
> >>+		 * Someone has steal the lock, so wait again
> >>+		 */
> >>+		goto try_again;

> >That's just a fail.. steals should not ever be allowed. It's a fair lock
> >after all.
> 
> The code is unfair, but this unfairness help it to run faster than ticket
> spinlock in this particular case. And the regular qspinlock slowpath is
> fair. A little bit of unfairness in this particular case helps its speed.

*groan*, no, unfairness not cool. ticket lock is absolutely fair; we
should preserve this.

BTW; can you share your benchmark thingy? 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-02-28  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 15:14 [PATCH v5 0/8] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with PV support Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 1/8] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock implementation Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-26 16:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 2/8] qspinlock, x86: Enable x86-64 to use queue spinlock Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 3/8] qspinlock, x86: Add x86 specific optimization for 2 contending tasks Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-26 16:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:42     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 20:42     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28  9:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28  9:29       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-02-28 16:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-28 16:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-28 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28 16:38         ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28 17:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28 17:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-03 17:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-03 17:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 15:27             ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 15:27             ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 16:58             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 18:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 18:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 16:58             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 17:48             ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 22:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-05 20:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-05 20:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 22:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 17:48             ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28 16:38         ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 4/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Allow unfair spinlock in a real PV environment Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-26 17:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 17:06     ` Waiman Long
2014-03-03 10:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-03 10:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-04 15:15         ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 15:15         ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 15:23           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-04 15:23           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-04 15:39           ` David Vrabel
2014-03-04 15:39           ` David Vrabel
2014-03-04 17:50           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-03-04 17:50           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-28 17:06     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 12:28   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 12:28   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 19:40     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:40     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 5/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable unfair queue spinlock in a KVM guest Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:08   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-26 17:08   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 17:08     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28 17:08     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27  9:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 19:05     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:05     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27  9:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 10:40   ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 10:40   ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 19:12     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:12     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 6/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Rename paravirt_ticketlocks_enabled Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 7/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Add qspinlock para-virtualization support Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:54   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-26 17:54   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-27 12:11   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 12:11   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 13:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 13:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 14:18       ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 14:45         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 14:45         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 15:22           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 15:22           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-03 11:06               ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2014-03-03 11:06               ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 20:50             ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 20:50             ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:42           ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:42           ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 14:18       ` David Vrabel
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 8/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable KVM to use qspinlock's PV support Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27  9:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27  9:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 18:36     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 18:36     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:00 ` [PATCH v5 0/8] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 16:56   ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28 16:56   ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:00 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-26 22:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-02-26 22:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-02-27  4:32 Waiman Long
2014-02-27  4:32 ` [PATCH v5 3/8] qspinlock, x86: Add x86 specific optimization for 2 contending tasks Waiman Long
2014-03-02 13:16   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-04 14:54     ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 14:54       ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 14:54     ` Waiman Long
2014-03-02 13:16   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-02-27  4:32 ` Waiman Long

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