A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Rahul Garg]

Hi all,

I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited
information on submission.
So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1,
will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and
Makeflie) be enough ??

Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ?

Regards
Rahul

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Little Penguin]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09:29AM +0530, Rahul Garg wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited
> information on submission.

What was lacking?

> So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1,
> will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and
> Makeflie) be enough ??

What have you tried?

> Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ?

No, this work is to be done on your own, didn't you read the
introductory email after you signed up?

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Sudip Mukherjee]

I just completed successfully  task 1 .. :)

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Aruna Hewapathirane]

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Rahul Garg <rahul.lnmiit@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited
> information on submission.

> So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1,

Hi Rahul,

Please send in your assigmnet1.c file with the Makefile. Those two
files are what I sent in for Task 01.

> will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and
> Makeflie) be enough ??

Yes this will be fine, what I sent in for Task 01 wa tail -f
/var/log/messages you can use any method of choice to prove you
actually did compile then load and unload the module. Entirely left up
to you :)

>Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ?

I felt the same when I first started on this but over time I have
realised why we are asked to do this alone. It simply makes us search
for relevant information and we learn the hard way but what is learnt
will never be forgotten unlike cutting and pasting some working code
someone else did. That being said when ever I have had questions or
got stuck with a assignment I have found most times immediate and fast
helpful responses so I feel if you first TRY then submit what you have
that will be the begining of a very enlightening journey for you as it
has definitely been for me.

I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to
learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts
way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers.

Whatever you send in please make sure it is in PLAIN TEXT format, else
will immediately be rejected. There is valid reason behind this and
that is all linux kernel level work is done using git and email and
plain text is the preferred mode of patch submission.

Hope this has helped and I wish you good luck. It is fully worth
investing your time in as I have learnt so much I am humbled.

Thank's - Aruna

>
> Regards
> Rahul
>
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A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Saurabh Jain]

I'm Sorry! but i am new to this mailing list . Can anybody tell me about
which assignment you people are talking ?


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Rahul Garg <rahul.lnmiit@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited
> > information on submission.
>
> > So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1,
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Please send in your assigmnet1.c file with the Makefile. Those two
> files are what I sent in for Task 01.
>
> > will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and
> > Makeflie) be enough ??
>
> Yes this will be fine, what I sent in for Task 01 wa tail -f
> /var/log/messages you can use any method of choice to prove you
> actually did compile then load and unload the module. Entirely left up
> to you :)
>
> >Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ?
>
> I felt the same when I first started on this but over time I have
> realised why we are asked to do this alone. It simply makes us search
> for relevant information and we learn the hard way but what is learnt
> will never be forgotten unlike cutting and pasting some working code
> someone else did. That being said when ever I have had questions or
> got stuck with a assignment I have found most times immediate and fast
> helpful responses so I feel if you first TRY then submit what you have
> that will be the begining of a very enlightening journey for you as it
> has definitely been for me.
>
> I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to
> learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts
> way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers.
>
> Whatever you send in please make sure it is in PLAIN TEXT format, else
> will immediately be rejected. There is valid reason behind this and
> that is all linux kernel level work is done using git and email and
> plain text is the preferred mode of patch submission.
>
> Hope this has helped and I wish you good luck. It is fully worth
> investing your time in as I have learnt so much I am humbled.
>
> Thank's - Aruna
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Rahul
> >
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> > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
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A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Aruna Hewapathirane]

>>  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Saurabh Jain <saurabh4768jain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  I'm Sorry! but i am new to this mailing list . Can anybody tell me about
>>  which assignment you people are talking ?

Here you go : http://eudyptula-challenge.org/

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Arlie Stephens]

On Mar 12 2014, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
> I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to
> learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts
> way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers.

I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting
something out of it. 

When the challenge first appeared I saw that there was very little
actual information on its web page, and when I sent an email inquiry
(somewhat testy, I admit), I got snarky humour in response, leading me
to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of antisocial
prank. 

I still don't like that the organizers are anonymous, of unknown
competence, but that's between them and those who choose to take them
up on the challenge. 

--
Arlie

(Arlie Stephens					arlie at worldash.org)

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Aruna Hewapathirane]

>> I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting
something out of it. When the challenge first appeared I >> saw that there
was very little actual information on its web page, and when I sent an
email inquiry (somewhat testy, I admit), >> I got snarky humour in
response, leading me to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of
antisocial prank. I still >> >> don't like that the organizers are
anonymous, of unknown competence, but that's between them and those who
choose to >> take them up on the challenge. -- Arlie (Arlie Stephens
arlie at worldash.org)

Hi Arlie,

Anonymous you say ?

If you have a look at this : https://www.kernel.org/ then have a another
careful look at this: http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ do you see a
resemblance ? kernel.org is not a bunch of jerks neither are they anonymous
or anti-social exactly the opposite actually.

Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour
can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel
maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out
'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my
dear :)

Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's
savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man himself.
Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this..

If you view the source at http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ you will see :

<!--
     Wait, this looks like the kernel.org theme!  You stole it, I'm going to
     sick my badgers on you!

     Relax man, the kernel.org theme is MIT licensed.  See the main.css file
     for details if you really want to know more.
-->

It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency
and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that
is all the more fun ?

Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no offence
meant )
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A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Arlie Stephens]

On Mar 12 2014, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
> >> I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting
> something out of it. When the challenge first appeared I >> saw that there
> was very little actual information on its web page, and when I sent an
> email inquiry (somewhat testy, I admit), >> I got snarky humour in
> response, leading me to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of
> antisocial prank. I still >> >> don't like that the organizers are
> anonymous, of unknown competence, but that's between them and those who
> choose to >> take them up on the challenge. -- Arlie (Arlie Stephens
> arlie at worldash.org)
> 
> Hi Arlie,
> 
> Anonymous you say ?
> 
> If you have a look at this : https://www.kernel.org/ then have a another
> careful look at this: http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ do you see a
> resemblance ? kernel.org is not a bunch of jerks neither are they anonymous
> or anti-social exactly the opposite actually.

Aha - I'm not well plugged into the linux kernel community. I don't
have the familiarity with website styles that would lead me to notice
patterns. I've used a bunch of them, but that doesn't mean I've paid
attention to style. 

> Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour
> can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel
> maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out
> 'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my
> dear :)

It's all a matter of who has the bigger ego ;-) 

I saw a new site that wasn't even in google yet, and made no attempt
to establish credentials. I also compared it with its supposed model,
the Matasano Crypto Challenge at
http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ and saw major
differences in things that mattered to me - the crypto site explains
who is behind it, and includes relevant articles. The Eudylypta site
has nothing.  

I know I'm competent and well meaning, and don't know that they are,
and reacted accordingly.  

_If_ the site owners are people known and well regarded in the linux
community, _they_ saw a person who wasn't known there, and therefore was
clueless-by-definition, and should know better than to challenge their
well regarded majesty - even with them unidentified ;-)  

_If_ on the other hand, they were a bunch of college kids being more
clever than usual about getting the intenet to do their homework (my
first thought), or trolls wanting to see how many innocent newbies
they could take in (my second thought) then they saw someone too smart 
to be taken in, who needed to be chased away lest they spoil the
scam. 

Their reaction was consistent with either possibility. 

> Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's
> savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man himself.
> Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this..

Perhaps. I'm not familiar with his sense of humour, though recent postings
(last year) interactions on LKML suggest he's less bitey than Linus,
which is a good sign. 

Truth to tell, I haven't paid much attention to who's who in the linux
community, except Mel Gorman, and I'm a lot more likely to read
linux-mm than the full LKML feed. (Yes, I'm a memory management type,
by inclination at least.)  

> It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency
> and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that
> is all the more fun ?
> 
> Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no offence
> meant )

*rofl* I can copy someone else's web page source (MIT licensed or
not) and put up a joke web page using it. If it's appropriately
licensed (as this one is) I wouldn't even be doing anything
illegal. That doesn't mean I'm the author of whatever I copy.

Anyway, I hope it is Greg Kroah-Hartman, or someone equally
competent and overall well regarded. Though the truth is, the second
part doesn't much matter, if people are getting something out of the
course. 

---
Arlie

(Arlie Stephens					arlie at worldash.org)

A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge]

[Aruna Hewapathirane]

<snip>

>> Aha - I'm not well plugged into the linux kernel community. I don't
>> have the familiarity with website styles that would lead me to notice
>> patterns. I've used a bunch of them, but that doesn't mean I've paid
>> attention to style.

Oh-kay fair enough... and understood :)

> Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour
> > can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel
> > maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out
> > 'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my
> > dear :)
>
> It's all a matter of who has the bigger ego ;-)
>

"I" myself personally have no ego due to being suddenly made to realize
long years ago by the wifey that if I was being a real jerk then I had to
go cook my own dinner ( Back then I had no idea how to boil an egg let
alone cook a decent meal and yes I was being a jerk ) Soo.. ever since then
I do not subscribe to this ego thing prefer to be humble and laid back !

>
> I saw a new site that wasn't even in google yet, and made no attempt
> to establish credentials. I also compared it with its supposed model,
> the Matasano Crypto Challenge at
> http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ and saw major
> differences in things that mattered to me - the crypto site explains
> who is behind it, and includes relevant articles. The Eudylypta site
> has nothing.
>
> Well that link to the Matasano Crypto ChallengeI IS right there on the
eudyptula challenge site that should have rung a bell no ?


> I know I'm competent and well meaning, and don't know that they are,
> and reacted accordingly.
>

Fair enough again and understood again :)

>
> _If_ the site owners are people known and well regarded in the linux
> community, _they_ saw a person who wasn't known there, and therefore was
> clueless-by-definition, and should know better than to challenge their
> well regarded majesty - even with them unidentified ;-)
>
>
The site uses teh exact same css from kernel.org that makes me think
someone from kernel.org is behind all this ?


>
> _If_ on the other hand, they were a bunch of college kids being more
> clever than usual about getting the intenet to do their homework (my
> first thought), or trolls wanting to see how many innocent newbies
> they could take in (my second thought) then they saw someone too smart
> to be taken in, who needed to be chased away lest they spoil the
> scam.
>

Oh-kay my turn to apologize, one lives and learns... you did the right
thing by questioning !

>
> Their reaction was consistent with either possibility.
>
> > Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's
> > savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man
> himself.
> > Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this..
>
> Perhaps. I'm not familiar with his sense of humour, though recent postings
> (last year) interactions on LKML suggest he's less bitey than Linus,
> which is a good sign.
>

Like I said am GUESSINg but everything points to gregkh... or someone in
his team !

>
> Truth to tell, I haven't paid much attention to who's who in the linux
> community, except Mel Gorman, and I'm a lot more likely to read
> linux-mm than the full LKML feed. (Yes, I'm a memory management type,
> by inclination at least.)
>

Aaagh I dislke  segfaults to little pieces :)

>
> > It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency
> > and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that
> > is all the more fun ?
> >
> > Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no
> offence
> > meant )
>
> *rofl* I can copy someone else's web page source (MIT licensed or
> not) and put up a joke web page using it. If it's appropriately
> licensed (as this one is) I wouldn't even be doing anything
> illegal. That doesn't mean I'm the author of whatever I copy.
>

True and agreed !

>
> Anyway, I hope it is Greg Kroah-Hartman, or someone equally
> competent and overall well regarded. Though the truth is, the second
> part doesn't much matter, if people are getting something out of the
> course.
>

Arlie believe me I personally learnt a whole lot of things and I sincerely
believe anyone joining who has the patience and  perseveres will be a happy
cookie.

You have a happy day my friend :)



> ---
> Arlie
>
> (Arlie Stephens                                 arlie at worldash.org)
>
>
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