* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] @ 2014-03-12 5:39 Rahul Garg 2014-03-12 5:49 ` Little Penguin 2014-03-12 6:12 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Rahul Garg @ 2014-03-12 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies Hi all, I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited information on submission. So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1, will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and Makeflie) be enough ?? Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ? Regards Rahul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 5:39 A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] Rahul Garg @ 2014-03-12 5:49 ` Little Penguin 2014-03-12 5:53 ` Sudip Mukherjee 2014-03-12 6:12 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Little Penguin @ 2014-03-12 5:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09:29AM +0530, Rahul Garg wrote: > Hi all, > > I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited > information on submission. What was lacking? > So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1, > will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and > Makeflie) be enough ?? What have you tried? > Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ? No, this work is to be done on your own, didn't you read the introductory email after you signed up? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 5:49 ` Little Penguin @ 2014-03-12 5:53 ` Sudip Mukherjee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Sudip Mukherjee @ 2014-03-12 5:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies I just completed successfully task 1 .. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 5:39 A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] Rahul Garg 2014-03-12 5:49 ` Little Penguin @ 2014-03-12 6:12 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2014-03-12 14:14 ` Saurabh Jain 2014-03-12 16:03 ` Arlie Stephens 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 6:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Rahul Garg <rahul.lnmiit@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited > information on submission. > So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1, Hi Rahul, Please send in your assigmnet1.c file with the Makefile. Those two files are what I sent in for Task 01. > will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and > Makeflie) be enough ?? Yes this will be fine, what I sent in for Task 01 wa tail -f /var/log/messages you can use any method of choice to prove you actually did compile then load and unload the module. Entirely left up to you :) >Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ? I felt the same when I first started on this but over time I have realised why we are asked to do this alone. It simply makes us search for relevant information and we learn the hard way but what is learnt will never be forgotten unlike cutting and pasting some working code someone else did. That being said when ever I have had questions or got stuck with a assignment I have found most times immediate and fast helpful responses so I feel if you first TRY then submit what you have that will be the begining of a very enlightening journey for you as it has definitely been for me. I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers. Whatever you send in please make sure it is in PLAIN TEXT format, else will immediately be rejected. There is valid reason behind this and that is all linux kernel level work is done using git and email and plain text is the preferred mode of patch submission. Hope this has helped and I wish you good luck. It is fully worth investing your time in as I have learnt so much I am humbled. Thank's - Aruna > > Regards > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 6:12 ` Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 14:14 ` Saurabh Jain 2014-03-12 14:20 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2014-03-12 16:03 ` Arlie Stephens 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Saurabh Jain @ 2014-03-12 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies I'm Sorry! but i am new to this mailing list . Can anybody tell me about which assignment you people are talking ? On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane < aruna.hewapathirane@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Rahul Garg <rahul.lnmiit@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am also thinking of taking this challenge. But I found very limited > > information on submission. > > > So can you help me what we need to submit for the Assigment 1, > > Hi Rahul, > > Please send in your assigmnet1.c file with the Makefile. Those two > files are what I sent in for Task 01. > > > will dmesg (or /proc/kmsg) output and module(assignement1.c and > > Makeflie) be enough ?? > > Yes this will be fine, what I sent in for Task 01 wa tail -f > /var/log/messages you can use any method of choice to prove you > actually did compile then load and unload the module. Entirely left up > to you :) > > >Also is there any group of forum where we can discuss assignments ? > > I felt the same when I first started on this but over time I have > realised why we are asked to do this alone. It simply makes us search > for relevant information and we learn the hard way but what is learnt > will never be forgotten unlike cutting and pasting some working code > someone else did. That being said when ever I have had questions or > got stuck with a assignment I have found most times immediate and fast > helpful responses so I feel if you first TRY then submit what you have > that will be the begining of a very enlightening journey for you as it > has definitely been for me. > > I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to > learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts > way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers. > > Whatever you send in please make sure it is in PLAIN TEXT format, else > will immediately be rejected. There is valid reason behind this and > that is all linux kernel level work is done using git and email and > plain text is the preferred mode of patch submission. > > Hope this has helped and I wish you good luck. It is fully worth > investing your time in as I have learnt so much I am humbled. > > Thank's - Aruna > > > > > Regards > > Rahul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kernelnewbies mailing list > > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org > > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/pipermail/kernelnewbies/attachments/20140312/0437b9db/attachment.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 14:14 ` Saurabh Jain @ 2014-03-12 14:20 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Saurabh Jain <saurabh4768jain@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm Sorry! but i am new to this mailing list . Can anybody tell me about >> which assignment you people are talking ? Here you go : http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 6:12 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2014-03-12 14:14 ` Saurabh Jain @ 2014-03-12 16:03 ` Arlie Stephens 2014-03-12 16:47 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Arlie Stephens @ 2014-03-12 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies On Mar 12 2014, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote: > I am on my fifth task and this is something I have always wanted to > learn to do ever since I first started meddling with DOS Interrupts > way back in 1982 and that is writing device drivers. I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting something out of it. When the challenge first appeared I saw that there was very little actual information on its web page, and when I sent an email inquiry (somewhat testy, I admit), I got snarky humour in response, leading me to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of antisocial prank. I still don't like that the organizers are anonymous, of unknown competence, but that's between them and those who choose to take them up on the challenge. -- Arlie (Arlie Stephens arlie at worldash.org) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 16:03 ` Arlie Stephens @ 2014-03-12 16:47 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 2014-03-12 17:41 ` Arlie Stephens 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies >> I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting something out of it. When the challenge first appeared I >> saw that there was very little actual information on its web page, and when I sent an email inquiry (somewhat testy, I admit), >> I got snarky humour in response, leading me to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of antisocial prank. I still >> >> don't like that the organizers are anonymous, of unknown competence, but that's between them and those who choose to >> take them up on the challenge. -- Arlie (Arlie Stephens arlie at worldash.org) Hi Arlie, Anonymous you say ? If you have a look at this : https://www.kernel.org/ then have a another careful look at this: http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ do you see a resemblance ? kernel.org is not a bunch of jerks neither are they anonymous or anti-social exactly the opposite actually. Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out 'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my dear :) Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man himself. Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this.. If you view the source at http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ you will see : <!-- Wait, this looks like the kernel.org theme! You stole it, I'm going to sick my badgers on you! Relax man, the kernel.org theme is MIT licensed. See the main.css file for details if you really want to know more. --> It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that is all the more fun ? Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no offence meant ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/pipermail/kernelnewbies/attachments/20140312/6c15007f/attachment.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 16:47 ` Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 17:41 ` Arlie Stephens 2014-03-12 18:15 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Arlie Stephens @ 2014-03-12 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies On Mar 12 2014, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote: > >> I'm glad to hear that this challenge is real, and someone's getting > something out of it. When the challenge first appeared I >> saw that there > was very little actual information on its web page, and when I sent an > email inquiry (somewhat testy, I admit), >> I got snarky humour in > response, leading me to believe the whole thing was probably some kind of > antisocial prank. I still >> >> don't like that the organizers are > anonymous, of unknown competence, but that's between them and those who > choose to >> take them up on the challenge. -- Arlie (Arlie Stephens > arlie at worldash.org) > > Hi Arlie, > > Anonymous you say ? > > If you have a look at this : https://www.kernel.org/ then have a another > careful look at this: http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ do you see a > resemblance ? kernel.org is not a bunch of jerks neither are they anonymous > or anti-social exactly the opposite actually. Aha - I'm not well plugged into the linux kernel community. I don't have the familiarity with website styles that would lead me to notice patterns. I've used a bunch of them, but that doesn't mean I've paid attention to style. > Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour > can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel > maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out > 'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my > dear :) It's all a matter of who has the bigger ego ;-) I saw a new site that wasn't even in google yet, and made no attempt to establish credentials. I also compared it with its supposed model, the Matasano Crypto Challenge at http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ and saw major differences in things that mattered to me - the crypto site explains who is behind it, and includes relevant articles. The Eudylypta site has nothing. I know I'm competent and well meaning, and don't know that they are, and reacted accordingly. _If_ the site owners are people known and well regarded in the linux community, _they_ saw a person who wasn't known there, and therefore was clueless-by-definition, and should know better than to challenge their well regarded majesty - even with them unidentified ;-) _If_ on the other hand, they were a bunch of college kids being more clever than usual about getting the intenet to do their homework (my first thought), or trolls wanting to see how many innocent newbies they could take in (my second thought) then they saw someone too smart to be taken in, who needed to be chased away lest they spoil the scam. Their reaction was consistent with either possibility. > Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's > savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man himself. > Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this.. Perhaps. I'm not familiar with his sense of humour, though recent postings (last year) interactions on LKML suggest he's less bitey than Linus, which is a good sign. Truth to tell, I haven't paid much attention to who's who in the linux community, except Mel Gorman, and I'm a lot more likely to read linux-mm than the full LKML feed. (Yes, I'm a memory management type, by inclination at least.) > It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency > and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that > is all the more fun ? > > Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no offence > meant ) *rofl* I can copy someone else's web page source (MIT licensed or not) and put up a joke web page using it. If it's appropriately licensed (as this one is) I wouldn't even be doing anything illegal. That doesn't mean I'm the author of whatever I copy. Anyway, I hope it is Greg Kroah-Hartman, or someone equally competent and overall well regarded. Though the truth is, the second part doesn't much matter, if people are getting something out of the course. --- Arlie (Arlie Stephens arlie at worldash.org) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* A new way to dive into the kernel! [Eudyptula Challenge] 2014-03-12 17:41 ` Arlie Stephens @ 2014-03-12 18:15 ` Aruna Hewapathirane 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Aruna Hewapathirane @ 2014-03-12 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kernelnewbies <snip> >> Aha - I'm not well plugged into the linux kernel community. I don't >> have the familiarity with website styles that would lead me to notice >> patterns. I've used a bunch of them, but that doesn't mean I've paid >> attention to style. Oh-kay fair enough... and understood :) > Unknown competence huh ? Am guessing here as well but that kind of humour > > can only initiate from gregkh and as you know he is the stable kernel > > maintainer and has given this a whole lot of thought... and you send out > > 'testy' emails what did you expect to get back ? You reap what you sow my > > dear :) > > It's all a matter of who has the bigger ego ;-) > "I" myself personally have no ego due to being suddenly made to realize long years ago by the wifey that if I was being a real jerk then I had to go cook my own dinner ( Back then I had no idea how to boil an egg let alone cook a decent meal and yes I was being a jerk ) Soo.. ever since then I do not subscribe to this ego thing prefer to be humble and laid back ! > > I saw a new site that wasn't even in google yet, and made no attempt > to establish credentials. I also compared it with its supposed model, > the Matasano Crypto Challenge at > http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ and saw major > differences in things that mattered to me - the crypto site explains > who is behind it, and includes relevant articles. The Eudylypta site > has nothing. > > Well that link to the Matasano Crypto ChallengeI IS right there on the eudyptula challenge site that should have rung a bell no ? > I know I'm competent and well meaning, and don't know that they are, > and reacted accordingly. > Fair enough again and understood again :) > > _If_ the site owners are people known and well regarded in the linux > community, _they_ saw a person who wasn't known there, and therefore was > clueless-by-definition, and should know better than to challenge their > well regarded majesty - even with them unidentified ;-) > > The site uses teh exact same css from kernel.org that makes me think someone from kernel.org is behind all this ? > > _If_ on the other hand, they were a bunch of college kids being more > clever than usual about getting the intenet to do their homework (my > first thought), or trolls wanting to see how many innocent newbies > they could take in (my second thought) then they saw someone too smart > to be taken in, who needed to be chased away lest they spoil the > scam. > Oh-kay my turn to apologize, one lives and learns... you did the right thing by questioning ! > > Their reaction was consistent with either possibility. > > > Have no illusions about this it is very REAL and am betting my life's > > savings this is gregkh at work so you are being mentored by ze man > himself. > > Though I somehow do not think he will acknowledge to this.. > > Perhaps. I'm not familiar with his sense of humour, though recent postings > (last year) interactions on LKML suggest he's less bitey than Linus, > which is a good sign. > Like I said am GUESSINg but everything points to gregkh... or someone in his team ! > > Truth to tell, I haven't paid much attention to who's who in the linux > community, except Mel Gorman, and I'm a lot more likely to read > linux-mm than the full LKML feed. (Yes, I'm a memory management type, > by inclination at least.) > Aaagh I dislke segfaults to little pieces :) > > > It really does not get any better than this, this is sincere transparency > > and accountability to me but given one has to know where to look but that > > is all the more fun ? > > > > Aruna ( Unknown competence and anti-social my brown skinny ass - no > offence > > meant ) > > *rofl* I can copy someone else's web page source (MIT licensed or > not) and put up a joke web page using it. If it's appropriately > licensed (as this one is) I wouldn't even be doing anything > illegal. That doesn't mean I'm the author of whatever I copy. > True and agreed ! > > Anyway, I hope it is Greg Kroah-Hartman, or someone equally > competent and overall well regarded. Though the truth is, the second > part doesn't much matter, if people are getting something out of the > course. > Arlie believe me I personally learnt a whole lot of things and I sincerely believe anyone joining who has the patience and perseveres will be a happy cookie. You have a happy day my friend :) > --- > Arlie > > (Arlie Stephens arlie at worldash.org) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/pipermail/kernelnewbies/attachments/20140312/617485c4/attachment.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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