From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, dhowells@redhat.com,
edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:40:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140808064020.GZ9918@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140807171823.1a481290@gandalf.local.home>
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On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:18:23PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 22:08:13 +0200
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> > OK, you've got to start over and start at the beginning, because I'm
> > really not understanding this..
> >
> > What is a 'trampoline' and what are you going to use them for.
>
> Great question! :-)
>
> The trampoline is some code that is used to jump to and then jump
> someplace else. Currently, we use this for kprobes and ftrace. For
> ftrace we have the ftrace_caller trampoline, which is static. When
> booting, most functions in the kernel call the mcount code which
> simply returns without doing anything. This too is a "trampoline". At
> boot, we convert these calls to nops (as you already know). When we
> enable callbacks from functions, we convert those calls to call
> "ftrace_caller" which is a small assembly trampoline that will call
> some function that registered with ftrace.
>
> Now why do we need the call_rcu_task() routine?
>
> Right now, if you register multiple callbacks to ftrace, even if they
> are not tracing the same routine, ftrace has to change ftrace_caller to
> call another trampoline (in C), that does a loop of all ops registered
> with ftrace, and compares the function to the ops hash tables to see if
> the ops function should be called for that function.
>
> What we want to do is to create a dynamic trampoline that is a copy of
> the ftrace_caller code, but instead of calling this list trampoline, it
> calls the ops function directly. This way, each ops registered with
> ftrace can have its own custom trampoline that when called will only
> call the ops function and not have to iterate over a list. This only
> happens if the function being traced only has this one ops registered.
> For functions with multiple ops attached to it, we need to call the
> list anyway. But for the majority of the cases, this is not the case.
>
> The one caveat for this is, how do we free this custom trampoline when
> the ops is done with it? Especially for users of ftrace that
> dynamically create their own ops (like perf, and ftrace instances).
>
> We need to find a way to free it, but unfortunately, there's no way to
> know when it is safe to free it. There's no way to disable preemption
> or have some other notifier to let us know if a task has jumped to this
> trampoline and has been preempted (sleeping). The only safe way to know
> that no task is on the trampoline is to remove the calls to it,
> synchronize the CPUS (so the trampolines are not even in the caches),
> and then wait for all tasks to go through some quiescent state. This
> state happens to be either not running, in userspace, or when it
> voluntarily calls schedule. Because nothing that uses this trampoline
> should do that, and if the task voluntarily calls schedule, we know
> it's not on the trampoline.
>
> Make sense?
Ok, so they're purely used in the function prologue/epilogue callchain.
And you don't want to use synchronize_tasks() because registering a trace
functions is atomic ?
But why would you use dynamic memory allocation for these trampolines at
all? Why not use the one default trampoline for this?
Suppose that thing looks like:
ftrace_mcount_handler()
{
for_each_hlist_rcu(entry,..)
entry->func();
}
so why not make it look like:
ftrace_mcount_handler()
{
asm_volatile_goto("jmp %l[label]" ::: &do_list);
return;
do_list:
for_each_hlist_rcu(entry,...)
entry->func();
}
Then, for:
no entries -> NOP,
one entry -> "CALL $func",
more entries -> "JMP &do_list.
No need for extra allocations and fancy means of getting rid of them,
and only a few bytes extra wrt the existing function.
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Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-31 21:54 [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 0/9 Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 2/9] rcu: Provide cond_resched_rcu_qs() to force quiescent states in long loops Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 19:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 0:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-06 1:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 8:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 12:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 22:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 15:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 18:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 19:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-07 19:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-07 20:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 21:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 6:40 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-08-08 14:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 14:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 10:56 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-08 14:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 14:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 15:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 10:36 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-07 20:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 4/9] rcu: Export RCU-tasks APIs to GPL modules Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 5/9] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 6/9] rcutorture: Add RCU-tasks test cases Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 7/9] rcu: Add stall-warning checks for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 8/9] rcu: Improve RCU-tasks energy efficiency Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 9/9] documentation: Add verbiage on RCU-tasks stall warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 23:57 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01 2:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01 1:15 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01 1:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 1:31 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01 2:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 14:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 23:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 12:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 13:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 0:37 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04 1:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 19:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 1:28 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04 7:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04 8:18 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04 11:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 12:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04 12:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-05 0:47 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-05 21:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 0:27 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06 0:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 0:33 ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06 0:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 22:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 20:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 6:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 12:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 16:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 16:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10 1:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 8:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 3:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 16:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 1:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 8:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10 16:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 3:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 3:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10 1:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 15:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 3:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
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