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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>, Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:26:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140815142601.GA13222@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFTL4hw2uAmyW61_U-hzmAfTeeAkMUg7OZy8zmbAFfbSLpzcqg@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/15, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> 2014-08-14 16:39 GMT+02:00 Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>:
> > On 08/14, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >>
> >> I mean the read side doesn't use a lock with seqlocks. It's only made
> >> of barriers and sequence numbers to ensure the reader doesn't read
> >> some half-complete update. But other than that it can as well see the
> >> update n - 1 since barriers don't enforce latest results.
> >
> > Yes, sure, read_seqcount_begin/read_seqcount_retry "right after"
> > write_seqcount_begin-update-write_seqcount_begin can miss "update" part
> > along with ->sequence modifications.
> >
> > But I still can't understand how this can lead to non-monotonic results,
> > could you spell?
>
> Well lets say clock = T.
> CPU 0 updates at T + 1.
> Then I call clock_gettime() from CPU 1 and CPU 2. CPU 1 reads T + 1
> while CPU 1 still reads T.
> If I do yet another round of clock_gettime() on CPU 1 and CPU 2, it's
> possible that CPU 2 still sees T. With the spinlocked version that
> thing can't happen, the second round would read at least T + 1 for
> both CPUs.

But this is fine? And CPU 2 doesn't see a non-monotonic result?

OK, this could be wrong if, say,

	void print_clock(void)
	{
		lock(SOME_LOCK);
		printk(..., clock_gettime());
		unlock(SOME_LOCK);
	}
	
printed the non-monotonic numbers if print_clock() is called on CPU_1 and
then on CPU_2. But in this case CPU_2 can't miss the changes on CPU_0 if
they were already visible to CPU_1 under the same lock. IOW,

	int T = 0;	/* can be incremented at any time */

	void check_monotony(void)
	{
		static int t = 0;

		lock(SOME_LOCK);
		BUG(t > T);
		T = t;
		unlock(SOME_LOCK);
	}

must work corrrectly (ignoring overflow) even if T is changed without
SOME_LOCK.

Otherwise, without some sort of synchronization the different results on
CPU_1/2 should be fine.

Or I am still missing your point?

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-15 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 18:25 [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 19:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-12 19:22   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-12 22:27   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 17:35       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:25           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 18:45             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 18:57               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 21:03               ` [PATCH RFC] time,signal: protect resource use statistics with seqlock Rik van Riel
2014-08-14  0:43                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14  1:57                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 13:34                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 14:39                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:52                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-15 14:26                           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2014-08-15 22:33                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:22                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 13:38                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-14 13:53                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:48                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 18:34                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  5:19                     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  6:28                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15  9:37                         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-15  9:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-15 16:36                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 16:49                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15 17:25                             ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 18:36                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 14:24                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 15:37                   ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 16:12                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 17:36                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 18:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-14 19:03                           ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-14 19:37                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-15  2:14                       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-15 14:58                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-13 21:03               ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:40       ` [PATCH RFC] time: drop do_sys_times spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:50         ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 17:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13  6:59   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-08-13 11:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:24       ` Rik van Riel
2014-08-13 13:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:09           ` Mike Galbraith

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