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From: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, borislav.petkov@amd.com,
	andreas.herrmann3@amd.com, hpa@linux.intel.com,
	ak@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Consider multiple nodes in a single socket to be "sane"
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 02:03:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140916020300.5013b8f0@as> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140916064403.GC14807@gmail.com>

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:44:03 +0200
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:

> 
> * Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 05:29:20 +0200
> > Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 03:26:41PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I'm getting the spew below when booting with Haswell (Xeon 
> > > > E5-2699) CPUs and the "Cluster-on-Die" (CoD) feature 
> > > > enabled in the BIOS.
> > > 
> > > What is that cluster-on-die thing? I've heard it before but 
> > > never could find anything on it.
> > 
> > Each CPU has 2.5MB of L3 connected together in a ring that 
> > makes it all act like a single shared cache. The HW tries to 
> > place the data so it's closest to the CPU that uses it. On the 
> > larger processors there are two rings with an interconnect 
> > between them that adds latency if a cache fetch has to cross 
> > that. CoD breaks that connection and effectively gives you two 
> > nodes on one die.
> 
> Note that that's not really a 'NUMA node' in the way lots of 
> places in the kernel assume it: permanent placement assymetry 
> (and access cost assymetry) of RAM.
> 
> It's a new topology construct that needs new handling (and 
> probably a new mask): Non Uniform Cache Architecture (NUCA)
> or so.

Hmm, looking closer at the diagram, each ring has its own memory controller, so
it really is NUMA if you break the interconnect between that caches.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-16  7:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-15 22:26 [PATCH] x86: Consider multiple nodes in a single socket to be "sane" Dave Hansen
2014-09-16  3:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-16  6:38   ` Chuck Ebbert
2014-09-16  6:44     ` Ingo Molnar
2014-09-16  7:03       ` Chuck Ebbert [this message]
2014-09-16  7:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2014-09-16 16:01         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-16 16:46           ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-16 15:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-16 16:36         ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-16  8:17   ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-16 10:07     ` Heiko Carstens
2014-09-16 17:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-16 23:49       ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-17 22:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-18  0:33           ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-17 12:55     ` Borislav Petkov
2014-09-18  7:32       ` Borislav Petkov
2014-09-16 16:59   ` Brice Goglin

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