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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ryan Harper" <ryan.harper@canonical.com>,
	"quintela@redhat.com" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Libvirt <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	"Serge Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Alex Bligh" <alex@alex.org.uk>,
	"Amit Shah" <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PATCH v3 2/2] Add configure option --enable-pc-1-0-qemu-kvm
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:36:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140922153646.GB11272@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878ulb7k54.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 05:24:55PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 02:36:55PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0100, Alex Bligh wrote:
> >> > Add a configure option --enable-pc-1-0-qemu-kvm and the
> >> > corresponding --disable-pc-1-0-qemu-kvm, defaulting
> >> > to disabled.
> >> > 
> >> > Rename machine type pc-1.0 to pc-1.0-qemu-git.
> >> > 
> >> > Make pc-1.0 machine type an alias of either pc-1.0-qemu-kvm
> >> > or pc-1.0-qemu-git depending on the value of the config
> >> > option.
> >> > 
> >> > Signed-off-by: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
> >> 
> >> I have to say, this one bothers me.
> >> We end up not being able to predict what does pc-1.0
> >> reference.
> >
> > Yeah, this is not good. Any single machine type name should have
> > fixed semantics - having two different semantics depending on build
> > options means mgmt apps can no longer simply compare the machine
> > type name to determine if it is a match with the same name on a
> > different host.
> 
> You're right.  However, this particular horse left the barn a long time
> ago: the pc-* machine types differ in qemu-kvm and upstream QEMU.
> 
> Sure, when qemu-kvm was merged back into QEMU, its machine type variants
> were dropped.  But they live on in various downstreams that just like
> QEMU had to pick between compatibility with upstream QEMU and qemu-kvm,
> but unlike QEMU picked compatibility with qemu-kvm.
> 
> So this patch does *not* break any management apps by letting them "no
> longer simply compare the machine type name to determine if it is a
> match with the same name on a different host".  They never could for
> these messed up machine types, at least not without knowing exactly what
> kind of QEMU runs on the hosts in question.
> 
> All this patch does is adding another facet to "exactly what kind of
> QEMU".

Right, but IMHO doing it at compile-time is wrong.
If distros want compatiblity with both sometimes, what then?
Build two binaries with different flags?
Should be a runtime option that management sets after (somehow?)
figuring out what's going on, on source.

How does it do that? Not sure - but I'm sure destination distro has no
way to figure it out.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-22 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-21 14:38 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] Add machine type pc-1.0-qemu-kvm for live migrate compatibility with qemu-kvm Alex Bligh
2014-09-21 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] " Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 11:50   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-22 12:28     ` Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 12:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-21 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] Add configure option --enable-pc-1-0-qemu-kvm Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 11:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-22 11:42     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2014-09-22 11:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-22 15:24       ` Markus Armbruster
2014-09-22 15:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2014-09-22 15:47           ` Serge Hallyn
2014-09-22 15:44         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-22 17:30           ` Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 19:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-22 19:36               ` Alex Bligh
2014-09-23  0:12                 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-09-22 11:50     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 12:10       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-22 13:05         ` Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 15:45           ` Andreas Färber
2014-09-22 16:54             ` Alex Bligh
2014-09-22 17:26               ` Markus Armbruster
2014-09-23  3:46               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-23  3:44             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-22 15:32     ` Markus Armbruster
2014-09-22 17:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-09-23  7:59         ` Markus Armbruster
2014-09-23  8:24           ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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