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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Preeti U Murthy
	<preeti-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	anton-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	svaidy-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org,
	paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpusets: Make cpus_allowed and mems_allowed masks hotplug invariant
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:32:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141009083259.GQ10832@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54364564.3090305-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 01:50:52PM +0530, Preeti U Murthy wrote:
> >> SMT 8 on Power8 can help/hinder workloads. Hence we dynamically switch
> >> the modes at runtime.
> > 
> > That's just a horrible piece of crap hack and you deserve any and all
> > pain you get from doing it.
> > 
> > Randomly removing/adding cpus like that is horrible and makes a mockery
> > of all the affinity interfaces we have.
> 
> We observed this on ubuntu kernel, in which systemd explicitly mounts
> cgroup controllers under a child cgroup identified by the user pid.
> Since we had not observed this additional cgroup being added under the
> hood, it came as a surprise to us that cgroup/cpuset handling in the
> kernel should indeed kick in.
> 
> At best we expect hotplug to be handled well if the users have not
> explicitly configured cpusets, hence implicitly specifying that task
> affinity is for all online cpus. This is indeed the case today, so that
> is good.
> 
> However what remains to be answered is that the V2 of cgroup design -
> the default hierarchy, tracks hotplug operations for children cgroups as
> well. Tejun, Li, will not the concerns that Peter raised above hold for
> the default hierarchy as well?

None of this addresses the piece of crap thing you did with power8. You
cannot just make CPUs go away at random.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Preeti U Murthy <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: lizefan@huawei.com, anton@samba.org, tj@kernel.org,
	svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mingo@kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpusets: Make cpus_allowed and mems_allowed masks hotplug invariant
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:32:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141009083259.GQ10832@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54364564.3090305@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 01:50:52PM +0530, Preeti U Murthy wrote:
> >> SMT 8 on Power8 can help/hinder workloads. Hence we dynamically switch
> >> the modes at runtime.
> > 
> > That's just a horrible piece of crap hack and you deserve any and all
> > pain you get from doing it.
> > 
> > Randomly removing/adding cpus like that is horrible and makes a mockery
> > of all the affinity interfaces we have.
> 
> We observed this on ubuntu kernel, in which systemd explicitly mounts
> cgroup controllers under a child cgroup identified by the user pid.
> Since we had not observed this additional cgroup being added under the
> hood, it came as a surprise to us that cgroup/cpuset handling in the
> kernel should indeed kick in.
> 
> At best we expect hotplug to be handled well if the users have not
> explicitly configured cpusets, hence implicitly specifying that task
> affinity is for all online cpus. This is indeed the case today, so that
> is good.
> 
> However what remains to be answered is that the V2 of cgroup design -
> the default hierarchy, tracks hotplug operations for children cgroups as
> well. Tejun, Li, will not the concerns that Peter raised above hold for
> the default hierarchy as well?

None of this addresses the piece of crap thing you did with power8. You
cannot just make CPUs go away at random.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-09  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-08  7:07 [PATCH] cpusets: Make cpus_allowed and mems_allowed masks hotplug invariant Preeti U Murthy
2014-10-08  7:07 ` Preeti U Murthy
     [not found] ` <20141008070739.1170.33313.stgit-KrPcdFQQmm2yUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-08  8:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-08  8:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-08  9:37     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-10-08 10:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20141008101828.GG10832-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09  8:20           ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-10-09  8:20             ` Preeti U Murthy
     [not found]             ` <54364564.3090305-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09  8:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-09  8:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-09  8:32               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-10-09  8:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-09 13:06               ` Tejun Heo
2014-10-09 13:06                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20141009130611.GA14387-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09 13:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-09 13:47                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <20141009134758.GU10832-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09 13:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-10-09 13:59                         ` Tejun Heo
2015-04-02  6:56                   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-04-02  6:56                     ` Preeti U Murthy
     [not found]                     ` <551CE820.9090900-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-06 17:47                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-04-06 17:47                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20150406174735.GG10582-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-09 21:13                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-04-09 21:13                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <20150409211349.GA28729-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-10 14:14                               ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-04-10 14:14                                 ` Preeti U Murthy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-10-08 14:54 Raghavendra KT
     [not found] ` <CAC4Lta2AS6M5upg8n9Qu5+1pqCMF3j8_cYuLAS1DH9C_BQP0PA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09  5:12   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-10-09  5:12     ` Preeti U Murthy
     [not found]     ` <54361922.8070808-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-09  9:42       ` Raghavendra K T
2014-10-09  9:42         ` Raghavendra K T

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