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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:16:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141029211608.GA32576@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141029202616.GC5000@thunk.org>

On Wed 2014-10-29 16:26:16, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > For a tablet, isn't the relevant piece of information whether the power
> > button was recently pressed, not whether the power button caused the wakeup?
> 
> For Android L devices, it has been reported that the device might
> power up its screen fully (note I didn't say 'wake up') automatically
> when it detects that you are picking it up, or when you double-tap the
> screen.  It also reportedly has a low power black and white "ambient
> display" (ala the Android Wear devics) which allows you to see
> notifications without waking up the phone all the way[1].  (All of
> this assuming appropriate hardware support, of course.)
> 
> [1] http://www.androidauthority.com/ambient-display-lollipop-541198/
> 
> Which goes back to the concept of having a "suspend" mode is legacy
> thinking.  Modern devices will soon have not just a "awake" and a
> "asleep" modes; there will be (well, is now) a much wider spectrum of
> modes, with the goal of using the minimum amount of power while still
> providing use functionality to the user.

Actually Maemo people (on Nokia N900 and friends) got it right: unlike
android devices, it does not suspend to RAM at any point, and still
has reasonable battery life.

So I agree -- using suspend to RAM on "active" cell phone is just a
bad design.

									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-29 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-21  8:49 A desktop environment[1] kernel wishlist Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 13:11 ` Sergey
2014-10-22  2:58   ` Minchan Kim
2014-10-22 16:52   ` Dan Streetman
2014-10-22 20:16   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-10-27 16:11     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-27  9:23   ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 16:02     ` Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2014-10-31  9:36       ` Jan Kara
2014-11-03 18:21         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-04  9:28           ` Jan Kara
2014-11-04 19:55             ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2014-11-05 17:18               ` Jan Kara
2014-10-21 17:04 ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 17:14   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 18:00     ` John Stultz
2014-10-21 18:09       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-21 19:10         ` John Stultz
2014-10-27 14:19           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:56             ` John Stultz
2014-10-28 22:57               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:41                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:39                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:03                     ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-03 14:17                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:35               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:25                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-31 14:01                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-11-21 19:08             ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-21 19:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-22 17:04         ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-27 14:28           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 20:59             ` Zygo Blaxell
2014-10-28 12:36               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 14:36                 ` John Stultz
2014-10-31 13:54                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-31 17:38                     ` John Stultz
     [not found]                 ` <CANszf4gaozN9YHzxUToRP9CaA1VVEV9vcz_X6LDL1zW3fH4Fow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-10-28 16:41                   ` Fwd: " Rogelio Serrano
2014-10-27  9:28         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-27 14:31           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 18:50             ` suspend to partition " Pavel Machek
2014-10-30 13:57               ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-29 19:19             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 20:26               ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-29 21:16                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2014-10-30 14:45                   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 14:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 15:07                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 18:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:57                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:05                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:15                       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 15:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-30 15:36                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 17:41                         ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-31 13:59                           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-30 23:21                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:19                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 14:42                 ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-28 22:42           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-21 18:24     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 14:20       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:31         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-27 15:44           ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 16:25   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-04-30 17:10     ` John Stultz
2015-04-30 17:23       ` Olof Johansson
2015-04-30 18:54         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-01  9:02           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05  6:05               ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-05 12:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 16:54                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 21:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08  7:09                       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-05-04 22:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:30             ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 10:46               ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 19:22                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-06 12:41                   ` Bastien Nocera
2015-05-05 14:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 14:39                 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 17:58                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 19:35                   ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 19:35                     ` Alan Stern
2015-05-05 20:58                     ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:56                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05 23:38                         ` David Lang
2015-05-05 23:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-07 17:03                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-07 18:21                         ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-05 23:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-06 17:40                 ` Chirantan Ekbote
2015-05-07 23:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-11 22:12                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-12  0:45                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-21 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 19:43   ` Al Viro
2014-10-21 19:47     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 13:55   ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 15:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 15:45       ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-27 16:09           ` Bastien Nocera
2014-10-27 16:22             ` Al Viro

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