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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca>, Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
	simon.mcvittie@collabora.co.uk, daniel@zonque.org,
	alban.crequy@collabora.co.uk, javier.martinez@collabora.co.uk,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:25:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141029222531.GA8129@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUBegZ4F1sKq3LxUgANX3=syYOrqOp9=F--g9pkVHHgUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 03:19:21PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Greg Kroah-Hartman
> <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >  * Attachment of trustable metadata to each message on demand, such as
> >    the sending peer's timestamp, creds, auxgroups, comm, exe, cmdline,
> >    cgroup path, capabilities, security label, audit information, etc,
> >    each taken at the time the sender issued the ioctl to send the
> >    message. Which of those are actually recorded and attached is
> >    controlled by the receiving peer.
> 
> I think that each piece of trustable metadata needs to be explicitly
> opted-in to by the sender at the time of capture.  Otherwise you're
> asking for lots of information leaks and privilege escalations.  This
> is especially important given that some of the items in the current
> list could be rather sensitive.

You do have to opt-in for this information at time of capture, so I
don't understand the issue here.  This is the same type of thing that
dbus does today, and I don't see the information leaks happening there,
do you?

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-29 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-29 22:00 [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-30 12:20   ` Peter Meerwald
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1410301231040.32212-jW+XmwGofnusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-02  1:29       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-02  1:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add driver skeleton, ioctl entry points and utility functions Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1414620056-6675-4-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  3:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30  3:50       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 23:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-30 23:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-31  0:23       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-10-31  0:23         ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]         ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410310114290.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31  0:42           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-31  0:42             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add connection, queue handling and message validation code Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <87k33iw759.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
     [not found]     ` <87k33iw759.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  3:55       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30  3:55         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30  9:06         ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code to gather metadata Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1414620056-6675-7-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:33     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrWqbpxk83L0k0_78JZCO+ntZhx_hHMcRu=vxs6VE2f5JQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  0:13         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30  0:13           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrVkuKxMMEw3HBEOZoFUuw8PndXtB13+bLWmcp_E34SaFw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  8:45             ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30  8:45               ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]               ` <5451FA9B.8070501-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 14:07                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 14:07                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrWjOS0AHF33zN0Vy1NC1441To7AgNPge3sKCz8bn2d8gg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 15:54                     ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30 15:54                       ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                       ` <54525F32.3040502-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 21:01                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 21:01                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                           ` <CALCETrV6MLYUQN6mqZbH=FrLyrETVoemtdC05po8+X=6SKQ70A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 11:05                             ` Daniel Mack
2014-11-01 11:05                               ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                               ` <5454BE6E.5040507-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-01 16:19                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-01 16:19                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                   ` <CALCETrXxx4juUGA3mwOxq0BtErM0kj7_THxiO5LwCVLzCXnd2A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 12:00                                     ` Simon McVittie
2014-11-03 12:00                                       ` Simon McVittie
     [not found]                                       ` <54576E48.40800-ZGY8ohtN/8pPYcu2f3hruQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 17:05                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-11-03 17:05                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30  8:09         ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30  8:09           ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code for notifications and matches Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1414620056-6675-9-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  3:59     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30  3:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30  9:58       ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 12:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 12:15           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87wq7hiwjb.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 14:48             ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 14:48               ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 14:58               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 14:58                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 18:08                 ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 18:46                   ` Simon McVittie
2014-10-30 18:46                     ` Simon McVittie
     [not found]                     ` <54528798.40107-ZGY8ohtN/8pPYcu2f3hruQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 19:59                       ` Djalal Harouni
2014-11-05 19:59                         ` Djalal Harouni
2014-10-30 20:37                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 20:37                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 21:47                     ` Alex Elsayed
2014-10-30 22:00                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 22:00                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 23:38     ` How Not To Use kref (was Re: kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints) Al Viro
2014-10-30 23:38       ` Al Viro
     [not found]       ` <20141030233801.GF7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 18:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-31 18:00           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]           ` <CA+55aFxB=jWGvPH3TMhB=ungOg9TBai5Ak-ma5vChBB-H2AgnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 19:56             ` Al Viro
2014-10-31 19:56               ` Al Viro
2014-11-04  9:11         ` David Herrmann
2014-11-04  9:11           ` David Herrmann
2014-10-31  1:39     ` kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Al Viro
2014-10-31  1:39       ` Al Viro
     [not found]       ` <20141031013922.GG7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31  9:55         ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-31  9:55           ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add name registry implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add policy database implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entry Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00 ` kdbus: add selftests Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1414620056-6675-13-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  8:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30  8:31       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-11-14  3:42     ` Michael Ellerman
2014-11-14  3:42       ` Michael Ellerman
2014-11-14  8:56       ` Daniel Mack
2014-11-14  8:56         ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:15 ` [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <CALCETrWrxc8foPYbRPtxwNX0sHK_=vLFLDXXyXu+2U2=B+=qCQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:27     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:27       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <20141029222729.GB8129-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  2:27         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30  2:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrVxvF2ie=vVgpjeqikn+nci_9jyKfU4s3t=4cjyNZNaNQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  4:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30  4:20               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <87bnourxx4.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 10:15                 ` Tom Gundersen
2014-10-30 10:15                   ` Tom Gundersen
     [not found]                   ` <CAG-2HqUChohNrRSdXzckSiv8ZUYwFLMvRTc41Uo7-b-qmkSFMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 12:02                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 12:02                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 13:48                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 13:48                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] ` <1414620056-6675-1-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 22:00   ` kdbus: add header file Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]     ` <1414620056-6675-3-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  8:20       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30  8:20         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 11:02         ` Tom Gundersen
2014-10-30 11:26           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 11:52             ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30 11:52               ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30 12:03               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-31 10:03                 ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-31 10:03                   ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:00   ` kdbus: add connection pool implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:00     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 22:15   ` [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg KH
2014-10-29 22:15     ` Greg KH
     [not found]     ` <20141029221505.GA7812-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  4:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30  4:04         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87egtqurrp.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  7:12           ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30  7:12             ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 22:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:25     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2014-10-29 22:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-29 22:36         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrX6vf7cKy=XDhDtn9hn1W930MRxBa=pk93RnyuZ-EaNyw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30  7:44           ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-30  7:44             ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]     ` <CALCETrUBegZ4F1sKq3LxUgANX3=syYOrqOp9=F--g9pkVHHgUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 14:34       ` Daniel Mack
2014-11-05 14:34         ` Daniel Mack
2014-10-29 23:00   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-10-29 23:00     ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]     ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410292354480.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 23:11       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:11         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]         ` <20141029231106.GB16548-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 23:12           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:12             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:24           ` Jiri Kosina
2014-10-29 23:24             ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]             ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410300019570.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 23:26               ` Jiri Kosina
2014-10-29 23:26                 ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1410300024530.11562-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-29 23:34                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:34                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:40               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:40                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-29 23:55                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 11:52                   ` Tom Gundersen
     [not found]                     ` <CAG-2HqX9RUQHiF1U_CXiDVVLS-7aUOQdYn7EVNSMZNdbe38cTA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 12:28                       ` Simon McVittie
2014-10-30 12:28                         ` Simon McVittie
2014-10-30 13:59                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-30 20:28                       ` Alex Elsayed
2014-10-30  9:51                 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30  9:51                   ` Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]                   ` <54520A21.20404-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 10:44                     ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 10:44                       ` Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]                       ` <54521697.1030900-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 14:47                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-30 14:47                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                           ` <20141030144709.GA19721-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 19:55                             ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 19:55                               ` Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]                               ` <545297CC.6020306-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 20:24                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-30 20:24                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-31 11:15                                   ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 23:13                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30 23:13                                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
     [not found]                                   ` <20141030231310.0b65b762-mUKnrFFms3BCCTY1wZZT65JpZx93mCW/@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 10:58                                     ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 10:58                                       ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-30 23:39                               ` Paul Moore
2014-10-31 14:21                                 ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 14:21                                   ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36                                   ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] kdbus: add support for lsm Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36                                     ` [PATCH 1/5] kdbus: extend structures with security pointer " Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]                                       ` <1414773397-26490-2-git-send-email-k.lewandowsk-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-17  1:47                                         ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-17  1:47                                           ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-17 18:37                                           ` Greg KH
2014-11-17 18:37                                             ` Greg KH
2014-10-31 16:36                                     ` [PATCH 2/5] security: export security_file_receive for modules Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36                                     ` [PATCH 3/5] kdbus: check if lsm permits installing received fds Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]                                     ` <1414773397-26490-1-git-send-email-k.lewandowsk-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 16:36                                       ` [PATCH 4/5] security: introduce lsm hooks for kdbus Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 16:36                                       ` [PATCH 5/5] kdbus: make use of new lsm hooks Karol Lewandowski
2014-10-31 17:19                                       ` [PATCH 3/5] kdbus: check if lsm permits installing received fds Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-07 18:01                                     ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] kdbus: add support for lsm Greg KH
     [not found]                                       ` <20141107180120.GA15387-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-09  0:07                                         ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-09  0:07                                           ` Karol Lewandowski
2014-11-02  1:21       ` [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-11-02  1:21         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]         ` <20141102012130.GA9335-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 14:38           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-11-03 14:38             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-10-30  8:33   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30  8:33     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-30 16:17     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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