From: Tom Haynes <thomas.haynes@primarydata.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Dai Ngo <dai.ngo@oracle.com>,
nfsv4@ietf.org
Subject: Re: close(2) behavior when client holds a write delegation
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:11:27 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150108011127.GA93138@kitty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHQdGtT0YtmG+SO7d47F+eSD1rjF7kDPv87uJkznhUaK+nzYkw@mail.gmail.com>
Adding NFSv4 WG ....
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 04:05:43PM -0800, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> wrote:
> > Hi-
> >
> > Dai noticed that when a 3.17 Linux NFS client is granted a
Hi, is this new behavior for 3.17 or does it happen to prior
versions as well?
> > write delegation, it neglects to flush dirty data synchronously
> > with close(2). The data is flushed asynchronously, and close(2)
> > completes immediately. Normally that’s OK. But Dai observed that:
> >
> > 1. If the server can’t accommodate the dirty data (eg ENOSPC or
> > EIO) the application is not notified, even via close(2) return
> > code.
> >
> > 2. If the server is down, the application does not hang, but it
> > can leave dirty data in the client’s page cache with no
> > indication to applications or administrators.
> >
> > The disposition of that data remains unknown even if a umount
> > is attempted. While the server is down, the umount will hang
> > trying to flush that data without giving an indication of why.
> >
> > 3. If a shutdown is attempted while the server is down and there
> > is a pending flush, the shutdown will hang, even though there
> > are no running applications with open files.
> >
> > 4. The behavior is non-deterministic from the application’s
> > perspective. It occurs only if the server has granted a write
> > delegation for that file; otherwise close(2) behaves like it
> > does for NFSv2/3 or NFSv4 without a delegation present
> > (close(2) waits synchronously for the flush to complete).
> >
> > Should close(2) wait synchronously for a data flush even in the
> > presence of a write delegation?
> >
> > It’s certainly reasonable for umount to try hard to flush pinned
> > data, but that makes shutdown unreliable.
>
> We should probably start paying more attention to the "space_limit"
> field in the write delegation. That field is supposed to tell the
> client precisely how much data it is allowed to cache on close().
>
Sure, but what does that mean?
Is the space_limit supposed to be on the file or the amount of data that
can be cached by the client?
Note that Spencer Dawkins effectively asked this question a couple of years ago:
| In this text:
|
| 15.18.3. RESULT
|
| nfs_space_limit4
| space_limit; /* Defines condition that
| the client must check to
| determine whether the
| file needs to be flushed
| to the server on close. */
|
| I'm no expert, but could I ask you to check whether this is the right
| description for this struct? nfs_space_limit4 looks like it's either
| a file size or a number of blocks, and I wasn't understanding how that
| was a "condition" or how the limit had anything to do with flushing a
| file to the server on close, so I'm wondering about a cut-and-paste error.
|
Does any server set the space_limit?
And to what?
Note, it seems that OpenSolaris does set it to be NFS_LIMIT_SIZE and
UINT64_MAX. Which means that it is effectively saying that the client
is guaranteed a lot of space. :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-08 1:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-07 20:04 close(2) behavior when client holds a write delegation Chuck Lever
2015-01-08 0:05 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-01-08 1:11 ` Tom Haynes [this message]
2015-01-08 2:58 ` Trond Myklebust
2015-01-08 3:11 ` Dai Ngo
2015-01-08 15:32 ` [nfsv4] " Rick Macklem
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