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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, normalperson@yhbt.net,
	davidel@xmailserver.org, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] epoll: introduce EPOLLEXCLUSIVE and EPOLLROUNDROBIN
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:33:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150218163300.GA28007@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54E4B2D0.8020706@akamai.com>


* Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com> wrote:

> > This has two main advantages: firstly it solves the 
> > O(N) (micro-)problem, but it also more evenly 
> > distributes events both between task-lists and within 
> > epoll groups as tasks as well.
> 
> Its solving 2 issues - spurious wakeups, and more even 
> loading of threads. The event distribution is more even 
> between 'epoll groups' with this patch, however, if 
> multiple threads are blocking on a single 'epoll group', 
> this patch does not affect the the event distribution 
> there. [...]

Regarding your last point, are you sure about that?

If we have say 16 epoll threads registered, and if the list 
is static (no register/unregister activity), then the 
wakeup pattern is in strict order of the list: threads 
closer to the list head will be woken more frequently, in a 
wake-once fashion. So if threads do just quick work and go 
back to sleep quickly, then typically only the first 2-3 
threads will get any runtime in practice - the wakeup 
iteration never gets 'deep' into the list.

With the round-robin shuffling of the list, the threads get 
shuffled to the tail on wakeup, which distributes events 
evenly: all 16 epoll threads will accumulate an even 
distribution of runtime, statistically.

Have I misunderstood this somehow?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-17 19:33 [PATCH v2 0/2] Add epoll round robin wakeup mode Jason Baron
2015-02-17 19:33 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sched/wait: add " Jason Baron
2015-02-17 19:33 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] epoll: introduce EPOLLEXCLUSIVE and EPOLLROUNDROBIN Jason Baron
     [not found]   ` <7956874bfdc7403f37afe8a75e50c24221039bd2.1424200151.git.jbaron-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-18  8:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-18  8:07       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20150218080740.GA10199-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-18 15:42         ` Jason Baron
2015-02-18 15:42           ` Jason Baron
2015-02-18 16:33           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-02-18 17:38             ` Jason Baron
     [not found]               ` <54E4CE14.5010708-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-18 17:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-18 17:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-18 17:51                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                     ` <20150218175123.GA31878-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-18 22:18                       ` Eric Wong
2015-02-18 22:18                         ` Eric Wong
2015-02-19  3:26                     ` Jason Baron
2015-02-22  0:24                       ` Eric Wong
     [not found]                         ` <20150222002432.GA9031-yBiyF41qdooeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 15:48                           ` Jason Baron
2015-02-25 15:48                             ` Jason Baron
2015-02-18 23:12               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <CAPh34mcPNQELwZCDTHej+HK=bpWgJ=jb1LeCtKoUHVgoDJOJoQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <CAPh34mcPNQELwZCDTHej+HK=bpWgJ=jb1LeCtKoUHVgoDJOJoQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 22:24       ` Jason Baron
2015-02-27 22:24         ` Jason Baron
2015-02-17 19:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Add epoll round robin wakeup mode Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-17 20:33   ` Jason Baron
     [not found]     ` <54E3A591.2050806-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-17 21:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-17 21:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrWg9sdyoKg0-BkwKQgyANvJybQ_wqjTfvYEGW1+S1J5Bw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-18  3:15           ` Jason Baron
2015-02-18  3:15             ` Jason Baron

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