From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] block: Deprecate QCOW/QCOW2 encryption
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:27:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150316102701.GE10189@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1426277380-25665-1-git-send-email-armbru@redhat.com>
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 09:09:40PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> We've steered users away from QCOW/QCOW2 encryption for a while,
> because it's a flawed design (commit 136cd19 Describe flaws in
> qcow/qcow2 encryption in the docs).
>
> In addition to flawed crypto, we have comically bad usability, and
> plain old bugs. Let me show you.
>
> = Example images =
>
> I'm going to use a raw image as backing file, and two QCOW2 images,
> one encrypted, and one not:
>
> $ qemu-img create -f raw backing.img 4m
> Formatting 'backing.img', fmt=raw size=4194304
> $ qemu-img create -f qcow2 -o encryption,backing_file=backing.img,backing_fmt=raw geheim.qcow2 4m
> Formatting 'geheim.qcow2', fmt=qcow2 size=4194304 backing_file='backing.img' backing_fmt='raw' encryption=on cluster_size=65536 lazy_refcounts=off
> $ qemu-img create -f qcow2 -o backing_file=backing.img,backing_fmt=raw normal.qcow2 4m
> Formatting 'normal.qcow2', fmt=qcow2 size=4194304 backing_file='backing.img' backing_fmt='raw' encryption=off cluster_size=65536 lazy_refcounts=off
>
> = Usability issues =
>
> == Confusing startup ==
>
> When no image is encrypted, and you don't give -S, QEMU starts the
> guest immediately:
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio normal.qcow2
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: running
>
> But as soon as there's an encrypted image in play, the guest is *not*
> started, with no notification whatsoever:
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio geheim.qcow2
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: paused (prelaunch)
>
> If the user figured out that he needs to type "cont" to enter his
> keys, the confusion enters the next level: "cont" asks for at most
> *one* key. If more are needed, it then silently does nothing. The
> user has to type "cont" once per encrypted image:
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio -drive if=none,file=geheim.qcow2 -drive if=none,file=geheim.qcow2
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: paused (prelaunch)
> (qemu) c
> none0 (geheim.qcow2) is encrypted.
> Password: ******
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: paused (prelaunch)
> (qemu) c
> none1 (geheim.qcow2) is encrypted.
> Password: ******
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: running
>
> == Incorrect passwords not caught ==
>
> All existing encryption schemes give you the GIGO treatment: garbage
> password in, garbage data out. Guests usually refuse to mount
> garbage, but other usage is prone to data loss.
>
> == Need to stop the guest to add an encrypted image ==
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) info status
> VM status: running
> (qemu) drive_add "" if=none,file=geheim.qcow2
> Guest must be stopped for opening of encrypted image
> (qemu) stop
> (qemu) drive_add "" if=none,file=geheim.qcow2
> OK
>
> Commit c3adb58 added this restriction. Before, we could expose images
> lacking an encryption key to guests, with potentially catastrophic
> results. See also "Use without key is not always caught".
>
> = Bugs =
>
> == Use without key is not always caught ==
>
> Encrypted images can be in an intermediate state "opened, but no key".
> The weird startup behavior and the need to stop the guest are there to
> ensure the guest isn't exposed to that state. But other things still
> are!
>
> * drive_backup
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio geheim.qcow2
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) drive_backup -f ide0-hd0 out.img raw
> Formatting 'out.img', fmt=raw size=4194304
>
> I guess this writes encrypted data to raw image out.img. Good luck
> with figuring out how to decrypt that again.
>
> * commit
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -monitor stdio geheim.qcow2
> QEMU 2.2.50 monitor - type 'help' for more information
> (qemu) commit ide0-hd0
>
> I guess this writes encrypted data into the unencrypted raw backing
> image, effectively destroying it.
>
> == QMP device_add of usb-storage fails when it shouldn't ==
>
> When the image is encrypted, device_add creates the device, defers
> actually attaching it to when the key becomes available, then fails.
> This is wrong. device_add must either create the device and succeed,
> or do nothing and fail.
>
> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -nodefaults -display none -usb -qmp stdio -drive if=none,id=foo,file=geheim.qcow2
> {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 50, "minor": 2, "major": 2}, "package": ""}, "capabilities": []}}
> { "execute": "qmp_capabilities" }
> {"return": {}}
> { "execute": "device_add", "arguments": { "driver": "usb-storage", "id": "bar", "drive": "foo" } }
> {"error": {"class": "DeviceEncrypted", "desc": "'foo' (geheim.qcow2) is encrypted"}}
> {"execute":"device_del","arguments": { "id": "bar" } }
> {"timestamp": {"seconds": 1426003440, "microseconds": 237181}, "event": "DEVICE_DELETED", "data": {"path": "/machine/peripheral/bar/bar.0/legacy[0]"}}
> {"timestamp": {"seconds": 1426003440, "microseconds": 238231}, "event": "DEVICE_DELETED", "data": {"device": "bar", "path": "/machine/peripheral/bar"}}
> {"return": {}}
>
> This stuff is worse than useless, it's a trap for users.
>
> If people become sufficiently interested in encrypted images to
> contribute a cryptographically sane implementation for QCOW2 (or
> whatever other format), then rewriting the necessary support around it
> from scratch will likely be easier and yield better results than
> fixing up the existing mess.
>
> Let's deprecate the mess now, drop it after a grace period, and move
> on.
>
> Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Reviewed-by: Daniel P. Berrange <berrange@redhat.com>
Looks good for this release, then we kill in next release.
Regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-03-16 10:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-13 20:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] block: Deprecate QCOW/QCOW2 encryption Markus Armbruster
2015-03-13 20:21 ` Markus Armbruster
2015-03-13 20:22 ` Eric Blake
2015-03-16 10:27 ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2015-03-16 12:09 ` Kevin Wolf
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