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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] ui: fix VNC websockets TLS integration
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:58:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150317105837.GE6540@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1426589446.27188.67.camel@nilsson.home.kraxel.org>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:50:46AM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> > The problem is that the VeNCrypt auth scheme is not actally really
> > an auth scheme. VeNCrypt is a way to negotiate TLS session on the
> > VNC server, and then run one of the traditionl auth schemes over
> > that session. When using websockets, we cannot use VeNCrypt because
> > the browser websockets client can't do TLS negotigate part way
> > through the VNC protocol auth process. It has to have TLS on the
> > connection as a whole, hence the VNC websockets server will setup
> > TLS during the initial HTTP header phase, before the VNC protocol
> > even starts running.
> 
> Understood.
> 
> > I could have just stuck with the 'auth' & 'subauth' fields in the
> > VncDisplay class, and translated them into something else in the
> > vnc_client_connect method when setting up VncState, but i figure
> > it was clearer to just add a 'ws_auth' field to VncDisplay
> > instead and avoid the translation step.
> 
> > When I say they are the same, I mean from a high level security
> > characteristics, not the low level protocol auth codes.
> > 
> >  eg if you -vnc 127.0.0.1:5901,websockets=5902,tls,x509,password
> > 
> > Then for normal VNC server you will get
> > 
> >   vs->auth = VNC_AUTH_VENCRYPT
> >   vs->subauth = VNC_AUTH_VENCRYPT_X509VNC
> > 
> > This gives a TLS handshake, with x509 certificates and the VNC password
> > auth scheme.
> > 
> > And for the websockets VNC server you will get
> > 
> >   vs->ws_auth = VNC_AUTH_VNC
> > 
> > combined with https:// requirement. This gives a TLS handshake with
> > x509 certificates and VNC password auth scheme.
> 
> Ok, so there basically is a fixed mapping from auth+subauth to ws_auth
> +ws_tls, correct?

Yes, that's correct.

> I think we should have a function setting ws_auth+ws_tls that way then,
> to make clear how this works, with a comment explaining things (which
> you can probably largely cut+paste from your mail ;)

Ok, I'll separate the code into a standalone function and try to split
this change up a bit more so it only does one thing at a time.

> > So, yes, the VNC protocol auth numbers are diferent, but the actual
> > security characteristics, encryption setup and auth scheme *are*
> > identical.
> 
> I guess we can live with the current QAPI schema then?

I thing thats probably the simplest - fwiw, libvirt won't use any extra
info even if we provided it & we can always add it later if required.

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-17 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-16 12:36 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Misc fixes for VNC Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-16 12:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] ui: remove unused 'wiremode' variable in VncState struct Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-16 13:03   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-16 12:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] ui: replace printf() calls with VNC_DEBUG Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-16 13:06   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-16 12:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] ui: fix VNC websockets TLS integration Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-16 13:17   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-16 13:35     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-17 10:59       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-17  7:36   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-03-17 10:20     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-17 10:50       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-03-17 10:58         ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2015-03-17 10:33     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-03-17 10:54       ` Gerd Hoffmann

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