From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT RFC PULL rcu/urgent] Prevent Kconfig from asking pointless questions
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:35:54 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150420113554.598e503f@sluggy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150419020541.GA5561@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:05:42 -0700
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > Real-time priority to use for RCU worker threads (RCU_KTHREAD_PRIO) [0] (NEW)
> > >
> > > Indeed, Linus complained about this one. ;-)
> >
> > :-) Yes, it's an essentially unanswerable question.
> >
> > > This Kconfig parameter is a stopgap, and needs a real solution.
> > > People with crazy-heavy workloads involving realtime cannot live
> > > without it, but that means that most people don't have to care. I
> > > have had solving this on my list, and this clearly increases its
> > > priority.
> >
> > So what value do they use, prio 99? 98? It might be better to offer
> > this option as a binary choice, and set a given priority. If -rt
> > people complain then they might help us in solving it properly.
>
> I honestly do not remember what priority they were using, it is
> not in email, and I don't keep IRC logs that far back. Adding
> linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org on CC.
As I recall, we started out using fifo:1, but when you get heavy
workloads running at higher fifo priorities, we wanted to boost the rcu
worker threads over those workloads.
Currently the irq threads default to fifo:50, so maybe a good
default choice for the rcu threads on RT is fifo:49. That of course
presumes rational behavior on the part of application developers.
I seem to recall that you and I had a discussion about making this
value a runtime knob in /sys but that didn't go anywhere. Do we need to
crank that up again and just use the config as a default/starting
value? If so then we could just default to fifo:1 and let sysadmins
tweak the value to match up with the workload.
Clark
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-20 16:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-16 18:38 [GIT RFC PULL rcu/urgent] Prevent Kconfig from asking pointless questions Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-18 13:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-18 13:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-18 14:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-19 2:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 16:35 ` Clark Williams [this message]
2015-04-20 17:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 17:59 ` Clark Williams
2015-04-20 18:20 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2015-04-20 18:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 18:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20 18:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 18:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20 18:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 6:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-21 13:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 3:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-20 20:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 21:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 21:50 ` Clark Williams
2015-04-21 1:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 13:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 15:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
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