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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matan Barak
	<matanb-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Amir Vadai <amirv-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tal Alon <talal-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:08:44 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150602180844.GD17776@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1433255724.114391.225.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 10:35:24AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote:

> So, just so everyone is clear on this point: the current user space
> implementation of this feature creates an unversioned, newly named
> ibv_wc_ex struct that is ibv_wc with a 64bit timestamp tacked on at the
> end (not 64bit aligned either).  If we ever wanted to have a different
> extension to our ibv_wc struct, there is no good way to do that.

No, if they followed (I didn't check yes) the extension scheme then the
poll call is

 struct ibv_wc_ex wcs[num_wcs]
 ibv_poll_wc_ex(&wcs,num_wcs,sizeof(wcs[0]));

And the drivers decide what to do based on the 3rd argument, which is
essentially the ABI version.

> Jason, when the XRC and flow steering extensions were added to
> libibverbs, you complained loudly that they were not added in the agreed
> upon format and cited a previous on list discussion.  Do you have a link
> to that discussion?

Not off hand, but that was different, that was a misuse of comp_mask,
IIRC.

Or, the question in my mind based on looking at the UAPI patches is
what things should be driver private and what should be general.

Broadly my thoughts:
 - Should the frequency and mask be general, or driver private? If the
   cycles->ns conversion is a function they should be driver private.
   Even if they are general at libibverbs, they don't *have* to be in
   the kernel's general query response.
 - Should frequency even be frequency? Most clocks are expressed
   accurately as a period in picoseconds. Frequency is more often
   imprecise. (eg ethernet is 3200 ps or 312.5MHz)
   However FDR/EDR is fractional for both (4693.33333333 ps vs
   213.0681818181818 MHz)
   Precision is very important for time conversions, so a
   multiply-divide scheme would be ideal.
   This is suggesting to me these details really are not
   general.
 - There should be much better definition on what all this stuff is,
   units for frequency? When is the timestamp applied?
 - Should an app even be exposed to mask? This is very difficult
   to use correctly in the general case. Only cases where an app is
   restarted more often than a wrap period are trivial to use properly.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-02 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-31 12:14 [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support Or Gerlitz
     [not found] ` <1433074457-26437-1-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 1/9] IB/core: Change provider's API of create_cq to be extendible Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-2-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:21       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-06-01 17:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 2/9] IB/core: Change ib_create_cq to use struct ib_cq_init_attr Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-3-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150601165335.GB14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02  7:29           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <CAAKD3BAyNpEKwM7xu=LzFo2F=qP=EN9ZteL2yyAgBVuPNmvtqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 17:27               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150602172711.GB17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03  9:04                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <CAAKD3BA7ZD4Gx5c16Ak+0_64rzazw+7n4frkuKHyrvdT=8ac6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 16:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 3/9] IB/core: Add CQ creation time-stamping flag Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 4/9] IB/core: Extend ib_uverbs_create_cq Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 5/9] IB/core: Add timestamp_mask and hca_core_clock to query_device Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 6/9] IB/core: Pass hardware specific data in query_device Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-7-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:24       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 7/9] IB/mlx4: Add mmap call to map the hardware clock Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 8/9] IB/mlx4: Support extended create_cq and query_device uverbs Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-9-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:56       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150601165649.GC14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02  7:21           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <CAAKD3BBsTFYKwOBK+6u04x6deRYzjYESJzbpyy83UtoChZhpOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 17:07               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150602170736.GA17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03  8:57                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <CAAKD3BARPocK1zZ2nYV0xWHqEASJTYbp1aQxwymi-TYTyK_vGA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 16:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150603163146.GD12073-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 18:58                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                             ` <CAJ3xEMhGdX-35WAjauKZE7+Wg39kbXP35UzYX33J6OB8g_9rYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 19:16                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150603191609.GB7902-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 19:35                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                     ` <CAJ3xEMiPkxf_Qu40AozMRWZaY-dAfEyAOZGyT9VYsNpQO1Q-Zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 20:38                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 9/9] IB/mlx4: Add support for CQ time-stamping Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:31   ` [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 19:00   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <1433098827.114391.179.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:30       ` Matan Barak
     [not found]         ` <CAAKD3BBo9A5AV9Uv-q1TgSQ6hs-oSUn5QsUT+5+6mk1RwW7AUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 11:25           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]             ` <1433157904.114391.188.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 13:58               ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506010852360.26845-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:39                   ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-01 16:43               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150601164322.GA14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 17:00                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1433178057.114391.208.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 17:29                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-06-02 14:35                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1433255724.114391.225.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 14:44                       ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                         ` <556DC167.5070205-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 14:53                           ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-02 18:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <20150602180844.GD17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 18:51                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                             ` <1433271083.40123.1.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 19:04                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150602190410.GA23362-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 19:56                                   ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-03 19:48                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                             ` <CAJ3xEMjZqwJC8=HrMBv_eSVKVtLW7qjVZNjtuD28octGPtYu6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 20:46                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150603204633.GE7902-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04  0:55                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506031953500.11879-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04  4:25                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150604042540.GA8837-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06  8:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506060304480.29634-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 15:45                                               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                                 ` <1433605546.40123.217.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 20:25                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
2015-06-07  4:42                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-06-07  4:49                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-06-04 16:17                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE4F16-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04 16:47                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150604164759.GC27699-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04 17:24                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE4F98-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06  8:27                                       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506060318570.29860-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-08 16:40                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE5AB8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10  1:26                                               ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506092018190.6681-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10  8:45                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                                     ` <5577F93F.9030405-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10 23:54                                                       ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-10 16:04                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE6746-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-11 15:24                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506111010580.18426-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-11 19:48                                                           ` Hefty, Sean
2015-06-04 17:30                               ` Doug Ledford

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