From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:11:51 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150717101151.5d5bc86d@lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1437063875.18768.59.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:24:35 +0300
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> Seriously, what is the actual problem? Who bites the heads off newbies
> for sport? I ask because the first patch submission is usually treated
> with helpfulness and tolerance, at least where I've been on the cc list.
So, obviously, I was going for dramatic effect in my other posting.
"Biting the heads off newbies" doesn't ordinarily happen. I think the
whole Nick episode has shown how tolerant we can be, actually. The point
I was trying to make is that there isn't one way to submit a patch to the
kernel, there's a hundred ways to submit to various subsystems.
Over on linux-kernel, I just saw a newish developer being politely told
that a patch was unacceptable because the local variable declarations
were not in reverse-Christmas-tree order. That's not in CodingStyle, and
it's certainly not a universal rule in the kernel; it's just one of those
things you have to know if you wander into certain scary neighborhoods.
I don't know if there's anything to be done about it, but I do think that
this thicket of weird local rules is intimidating to new developers, even
if missteps are dealt with politely.
jon
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2015-07-08 0:50 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 1:40 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00 ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11 8:32 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11 ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49 ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:26 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 9:39 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16 9:38 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11 4:34 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10 8:19 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06 ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10 8:54 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 2:02 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 5:19 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 8:19 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05 7:48 ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 0:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 2:00 ` Darren Hart
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2015-07-10 2:07 ` Darren Hart
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2015-07-10 18:24 ` Mark Brown
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2015-07-10 19:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00 ` David Woodhouse
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2015-07-10 20:40 ` David Woodhouse
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2015-07-10 20:56 ` josh
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2015-07-12 10:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2015-07-13 10:21 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59 ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11 ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54 ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36 ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 0:00 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 0:13 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 2:39 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14 2:24 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 5:54 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45 ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 1:16 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16 1:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56 ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04 ` Tim Bird
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2015-07-16 15:34 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 1:42 ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18 3:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
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2015-08-01 18:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16 ` NeilBrown
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2015-08-02 12:12 ` Jonathan Corbet
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2015-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
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2015-07-17 19:30 ` Chris Mason
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2015-07-17 18:05 ` Guenter Roeck
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2015-07-17 20:24 ` josh
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2015-07-17 20:55 ` Steven Rostedt
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2015-07-19 22:40 ` Josh Triplett
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2015-07-20 7:15 ` James Bottomley
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