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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: mcgrof@gmail.com, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	jkkm@jkkm.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Firmware signing
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:35:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150729163549.GA10114@x> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1438182000.2204.35.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 08:00:00AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> You're not out of the woods with this, though: the licence of the
> firmware must permit arbitrary redistribution (and we've seen some that
> don't), so it still has to be released under a freely redistributable
> licence.  And, obviously, there's a greyer area for Linux Specific
> firmware, but the above applies in the general case.
> 
> Distributions, like Debian, which have a definition for what they
> consider to be "free software" may obviously conclude that binary blobs
> don't satisfy that definition and therefore must be confined to the
> non-free part of the distribution.  We can certainly continue to ship
> firmware separately as a courtesy for Debian to prevent the hardship of
> having to banish the whole kernel to non-free

(Or filter out the blobs.)

For the record, this point (that firmware *itself* is not Free Software)
was the only one I meant when I gave "licensing" as a reason to not
compile in firmware.  Feel free to continue the argument about the
legality of a bzImage containing firmware blobs if you like, but that's
not the point I was making.

- Josh triplett

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-29 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-28 13:36 [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Firmware signing David Howells
2015-07-28 14:23 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 16:55   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 15:10 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 15:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 15:31     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 16:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:10         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 16:15           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 16:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:44               ` David Howells
2015-07-28 17:03                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:19                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 19:31                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 19:43                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 22:03                       ` James Bottomley
2015-08-11 20:24                         ` David Howells
2015-08-11 21:56                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-11 22:03                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-08-12 18:22                             ` David Howells
2015-08-12 18:45                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-08-12 19:09                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:15                                   ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 19:25                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:43                                       ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 19:45                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:59                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-13  7:03                                             ` Jan Kara
2015-08-13 14:01                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 22:46                                   ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:51                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 22:45                                 ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:47                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 22:39                                 ` David Howells
2015-08-12 22:45                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 16:18     ` David Howells
2015-07-28 16:42       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 17:05         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-28 17:09           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 17:10             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  2:00           ` James Morris
2015-07-28 16:17   ` David Howells
2015-07-28 16:59     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 19:11       ` David Howells
2015-07-28 19:34         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 21:53         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 22:39           ` David Howells
2015-07-28 22:44             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-29  8:39               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 16:58   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-28 15:12 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-28 18:47   ` Peter Jones
2015-07-28 19:14     ` David Howells
2015-07-28 19:52       ` Peter Jones
2015-07-28 18:36 ` josh
2015-07-28 18:44   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-28 18:54     ` josh
2015-07-28 19:06       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-28 21:38       ` Greg KH
2015-07-28 23:59         ` josh
2015-07-29  0:17           ` Greg KH
2015-07-29  9:37         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 15:00           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-29 15:35             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 16:38               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-29 17:32                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 23:39                   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30  8:08                     ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 13:48                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 14:21                         ` Heiko Stübner
2015-07-30 14:30                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 15:01                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 16:17                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-30 19:17                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-31 14:41                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-31 16:14                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-31 17:25                                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-30 16:24                           ` Tim Bird
2015-07-29 16:35             ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2015-07-29  8:29       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 11:57       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-29 12:02         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-29 12:24           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-28 19:19   ` David Howells
2015-07-28 19:23   ` David Woodhouse

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