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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] 998ef75ddb and aio-dio-invalidate-failure w/ data=journal
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:43:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151007154303.GC24678@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFycvHK2z_0QZ34wEJf5fBMxWDaeOs85cFSmpKnNONDxLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 08:32:16AM +0100, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> And none of *those* requirements change just because "copied" would be
> zero. If you avoid zeroing the buffers and marking them dirty, nothing
> will ever initialize them on disk, andn if the prefault then later
> fails during retry, no later write will happen either. So now
> eventually later, a read() can see stale data from disk.

Shoot.  You're right, we could end up allowing a stale data to be
exposed.  If we knew the caller of write_end() was guaranteed to
retry, we could skip the jbd2_journal_stop() call and keep the handle
open, which would prevent the transaction from closing.  But if the
write gets abandoned, then the transaction would never close, and
things would grind to a halt.

> I do think this is an ext4 bug, and you'll need to do something *like*
> that patch. Maybe Dave's patch is good as-is. It's the "I think you
> need to do more" that I worry about. Not at -rc4 time. Not with a core
> filesystem like ext4. Let's not hurry this too much.

Agreed, I know what to do, and and the change is not something I'd
want to get in -rc4.  I'll target a fix for the next merge window.

    	    	   	       	      	- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-07 15:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-05 15:22 [REGRESSION] 998ef75ddb and aio-dio-invalidate-failure w/ data=journal Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-05 15:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 16:23   ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-05 20:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 20:48       ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-05 21:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 21:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 23:33             ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-06  9:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-05 20:49       ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-10-06  7:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-06  9:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06  9:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-06 13:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-06 13:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-05 16:03 ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-05 18:04 ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-07  3:34   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-07  7:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-07 15:43       ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2015-10-09  4:01         ` [PATCH] ext4: use private version of page_zero_new_buffers() for data=journal mode Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-13  6:06           ` Leonid V. Fedorenchik
2015-10-15 11:17           ` Jan Kara
2025-01-26 17:01           ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-26 18:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-01-26 19:49               ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-26 22:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-01-26 22:45                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-27 20:52                     ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-27 21:46                       ` Dave Chinner

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