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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dbueso@suse.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] x86,asm: Re-work smp_store_mb()
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:49:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151028194943.GA20911@linux-uzut.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151027223744.GB11242@worktop.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:33:56AM +0900, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:53 AM, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Note that this might affect callers that could/would rely on the
>> > atomicity semantics, but there are no guarantees of that for
>> > smp_store_mb() mentioned anywhere, plus most archs use this anyway.
>> > Thus we continue to be consistent with the memory-barriers.txt file,
>> > and more importantly, maintain the semantics of the smp_ nature.
>>
>
>> So with this patch, the whole thing becomes pointless, I feel. (Ok, so
>> it may have been pointless before too, but at least before this patch
>> it generated special code, now it doesn't). So why carry it along at
>> all?
>
>So I suppose this boils down to if: XCHG ends up being cheaper than
>MOV+FENCE.

If so, could this be the reasoning behind the mix and match of xchg and
MOV+FENCE? for different archs? This is from the days when set_mb() was
introduced. I wonder if it still even matters... I at least haven't seen
much difference in general workloads (I guess any difference would be
neglictible for practical matters). But could obviously be missing something.

>PeterA, any idea?

I suppose you're referring to hpa, Cc'ing him.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-28 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-27 19:53 [PATCH -tip 0/4] A few updates around smp_store_mb() Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 19:53 ` [PATCH 1/4] arch,cmpxchg: Remove tas() definitions Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 23:27   ` David Howells
2015-12-04 12:01   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/cmpxchg, arch: " tip-bot for Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 19:53 ` [PATCH 2/4] arch,barrier: Use smp barriers in smp_store_release() Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 20:03   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-12-04 12:01   ` [tip:locking/core] lcoking/barriers, arch: " tip-bot for Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 19:53 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86,asm: Re-work smp_store_mb() Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 21:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-27 22:01     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-10-27 22:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-28 19:49       ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2015-11-02 20:15       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-11-03  0:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-03  1:36           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-01-12 13:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 17:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 17:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 17:45               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 17:45                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 18:04                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 18:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 20:30               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-01-12 20:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 20:54                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 20:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-01-12 20:59                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-01-12 21:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 21:37                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 22:14                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 22:14                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:20                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:20                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 22:21                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 22:21                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-12 22:55                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-01-12 22:55                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-01-12 23:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 23:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-13 16:17                           ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 16:17                             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 16:25                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:25                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:33                               ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 16:33                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 16:42                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:42                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 16:53                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 16:53                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-13 17:00                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 17:00                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-13 18:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-13 18:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 13:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-27 19:53 ` [PATCH 4/4] doc,smp: Remove ambiguous statement in smp_store_mb() Davidlohr Bueso
2015-12-04 12:01   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/barriers, arch: Remove ambiguous statement in the smp_store_mb() documentation tip-bot for Davidlohr Bueso

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