From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
Rafael Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
Eduardo Valentin <edubezval@gmail.com>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] sched: introduce synchronized idle injection
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:17:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151127091702.GA27790@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151118061026.03a28616@yairi>
* Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:22 +0100
> Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > This patch introduces a scheduler based idle injection method, it
> > > works by blocking CFS runqueue synchronously and periodically. The
> > > actions on all online CPUs are orchestrated by per CPU hrtimers.
> > >
> > > Two sysctl knobs are given to the userspace for selecting the
> > > percentage of idle time as well as the forced idle duration for each
> > > idle period injected.
> >
> > What's the purpose of these knobs? Just testing, or will some
> > user-space daemon set them dynamically?
> >
> yes, it is to be used by userspace daemon such as thermal daemon.
> Though there are interests from in kernel thermal governor but that is
> another story.
Yeah, so let me make this very clear: for a kernel scheduling feature to be
self-sufficient is not 'another story', but a must-have aspect for this feature
to become upstream acceptable.
We don't add scheduler features that rely on pushing 'policy' to user-space.
That's poor design with many disadvantages. This feature should offer a reasonable
and automatic in-kernel default behavior with numbers that prove that it works.
Keeping an essential part of the feature in user-space earns a NAK from me.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-27 9:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-13 19:53 [PATCH 0/4] CFS idle injection Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 19:53 ` [PATCH 1/4] ktime: add a roundup function Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 20:11 ` John Stultz
2015-11-13 22:33 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 20:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-13 22:36 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 19:53 ` [PATCH 2/4] timer: relax tick stop in idle entry Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-13 22:24 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-16 15:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-16 21:51 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-16 22:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-17 0:09 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-19 17:43 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-19 19:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-19 19:21 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-19 19:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-19 23:41 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-16 22:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 23:05 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-16 23:15 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-16 23:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 23:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-11-16 23:40 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-17 0:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 22:32 ` Josh Triplett
2015-11-16 23:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-17 1:41 ` Josh Triplett
2015-11-17 2:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-17 2:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-11-17 5:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-17 10:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-17 12:57 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-17 13:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-13 19:53 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: introduce synchronized idle injection Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 20:23 ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-18 8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-18 10:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-18 12:27 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-18 12:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-18 14:04 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-18 14:52 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-18 15:09 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-18 15:11 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-18 15:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-18 17:03 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-18 16:04 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-27 9:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-18 14:10 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-27 9:17 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-12-02 17:28 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-18 14:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-11-18 15:44 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-18 15:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-11-19 17:24 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-11-19 20:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 9:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-20 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 10:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-20 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 18:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-11 21:50 ` Jacob Pan
2016-01-19 12:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-01-19 18:00 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-24 11:38 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-23 17:59 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-23 17:56 ` Javi Merino
2015-11-23 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-24 9:12 ` Javi Merino
2015-11-24 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-24 11:10 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-24 12:00 ` Javi Merino
2015-11-24 18:22 ` Jacob Pan
2015-11-25 9:41 ` Javi Merino
2015-11-13 19:53 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: add trace event for " Jacob Pan
2015-11-13 20:10 ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-19 14:39 ` Javi Merino
2015-11-19 15:35 ` Jacob Pan
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